Ramirez and Ramirez

[Lawbird Lawyer]

Dear Sir or Madam,

Further to your query on “Ramirez & Ramirez law firm” we’ve made some interesting discoveries.

Their website is both in Spanish and in English. Each has their own internet domains.

1. First of all the Spanish website itself, “abogadosespecialistas dot es” was registered on the 20th August 2009. So it’s only three months old.

2. The English website, “specialists-lawyers dot com” was registered on the 21st October 2009. A couple of weeks old.

Domain Name: SPECIALIST-LAWYERS.COM
Registrant: -personal contact details deleted for privacy reasons-
Creation Date: 21-Oct-2009
Expiration Date: 21-Oct-2010

3. The person listed as director of Ramirez and Ramirez Abogados additionally appears as administrator on the following companies, all of which have a long history and ring the bell. Just google them.

At best they are dubious (KPTA) and at worst they are simply, erm to put it mildly, very dubious (Fuengirola Servicios 2002, S.L.):

a) KEY PROPERTIES TOWN ADVISORY SL (AKA as KPTA)
b) FUENGIROLA SERVICIOS 2002 SL
c) RAMIREZ & RAMIREZ ABOGADOS SL

4. On the first company, we already had a thread in our forum on “Key Properties Town Advisory” (KPTA or KPA):

http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/foru...read.php?t=698

The European Consumer Authorities for Spain, located in Madrid, to whom I personally spoke over the phone on KPTA, were very unhappy with their behavior to the point they have their name listed down as a warning to consumers on the front of their webpage. It is highly significant that the only company they have listed is precisely KPTA as can be read on their website in English: http://cec.consumo-inc.es/

Furthermore, the European Consumer Authorities have even written a PDF document warning on the activities of KPTA: http://cec.consumo-inc.es/cec/Ultima...tyAdvisory.pdf

5. As for “FUENGIROLA SERVICIOS 2002 SL” you will find this company listed in multiple timeshare blacklists.

Unsurprisingly, “FUENGIROLA SERVICIOS 2002 SL” are not included in the black list provided by "Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados, S.L." as can be read on their website which happens to include hundreds of well-known timeshare scam companies.

Just google them. E.g. http://www.timesharecouncil.eu/#F

They offered through cold-calls to take legal action (group actions) on behalf of those foreigners who were afflicted by timeshare-related scams in Spain. It is still unclear from where they obtained their client's contact details to make these cold-calls. It is suspected, although unproven, that it was the time-share companies themselves which sold or provided them the contact details. Somehow the contact details of thousands of scammed timeshare buyers was passed on from the timeshare companies onto FUENGIROLA SERVICIOS 2002, SL.

6. The last one, the newest company, is the “law firm” on which you are querying. He appears at the Company’s House as the sole administrator of “Ramirez & Ramirez Abogados, S.L.”. This company was trading formerly under the name "Legal Specialists Advisory Service SL" and they changed their name over to "Ramirez and Ramirez Abogados SL" on the 23rd September 2009.

On checking Spain’s Lawyer’s data base he does not appear as a registered lawyer to practice, which is never a good sign.

We repeat again as per all our legal articles and posts, that under new legislation, you must be a registered lawyer to own a law firm in Spain. Not to mention that only registered lawyers have Professional Indemnity Insurance available in case of malpractice or negligence.

In fact, all legitimate law firms in Spain trade as S.L.P. (Sociedad Limitada Profesional) and not as S.L.'s, in compliance with the newly passed regulation.

7. Funnily enough, on their recently created website, they denounce other dubious Spanish “law firms” which have been regulars over the last months in our own forum, such as Legal Advice Counsel or First Legal Services. I guess it’s a small world after all.

I leave you and everyone else to draw your own conclusions given the track record of whose behind all three companies.

Yours faithfully,
Raymundo LarraÃ*n Nesbitt



N.B. Friday 2nd July 2010

Just to clarify on my three posts on this thread (post 4, 5 and 7).

I have never written, said or labelled "RamÃ*rez and RamÃ*rez Abogados, S.L.", or its members or its corporate activities as "fraudulent", as a "scam" or as anything else. That has been written and concluded by other posters on this and other threads. What I've clearly written is a reply to the original poster's queries, posts 1 and 2 on this thread, on whether this company was in fact a law firm. And the gist of my reply on post 5, following research, was that it was not a law firm following what I write above.

If posters on this and other threads have jumped to conclusions labelling "RamÃ*rez and RamÃ*rez Abogados, S.L.", its members and/or its corporate activities as "cheats", "fraudsters", "scammers" or whatever they will, please bear in mind they are taking responsibility for their own words, posts and conclusions. It was never my intention to label this company or its members or its activities as such.

I will not be held accountable for what other people write or conclude on this thread or in any other thread.

As I clearly wrote above I did not draw any conclusions on them, much less label them or their corporate activity in any manner whatsoever, leaving readers to reach their own conclusions.