Ramirez and Ramirez

[Unregistered]

I am currently being contacted (cold call) by a Michael Goften who claims that R&R can help with my attempts to recover monies fraudulently obtained by Incentive Leisure Group. Is he just another of this company's representatives perpetuating the timeshare scam on scam?

[Frustrated]

We too have been scammed by DWVC and at no time have managed to book any holidays with this lot and are desperate to get our 11k back but we need to know who we can rely on to take action - anyone got a reliable English firm we can use...


frustrated.

[Unregistered]

Hi
Paid Ramirez over 1 year ago and so far got nothiing. went through a UK claim company and got my money back from dwvc etc. in just over 2 months - from start to finish! and got interest at 8% and compensation, damages the lot!

forget spain - it's all corrupt and they don't apply their own laws - or the european ones that should protect us against these thieves. one good thing - just thought i'd pay a visit to DWVC while on my hols to rub in the fact that i got my dosh back and they've vanished! they were up by the waterpark. oh well... hopefully the bastards are out of business now.

the claim lawyers i used would not do anything about ramirez and ramirez as the amount i had paid was under their min for a claim. they did tell me to get everything i could find on them and put in a claim to my credit card which i did a few weeks back. my lawyer did have a look at the contract and told me that what i had actually paid for was a legal report - thats exactly what the contract says people!

must of us who were scammed by R & R are brits so report them to Action Fraud, OFT, Trading Standards and the police. there's loads of consumer groups in the uk. i got my money back for the DWVC pack without leaving the uk. cases can now be tried in the uk and enforced in europe.

report R&R to the uk authorities and claim the money back off your credit card or visa debit!

What UK claims company did you use? I have been contacted by DWVC saying they are sorting out Cashback as they have won a court case. Only likely to get 55% (better than nothing!), but have to pay Spanish Tax on it upfront but can claim this back, is this another scam to get money out of me? Anybody else in the same position?

[Unregistered]

Hi I have received a letter from them stating their lawers
Doria Sara Lia Vilas Lic. No 6530
Don Matias Fernandez Rodriruez Lic. No 3610
Don Jose Antonio Martin Alfonso Lic. 4135

ThANKS

Dear Sir or Madam,

I've never heard of this law firm before.

You write you are receiving cold-calls from them?

Legitimate Spanish law firms never do this.

How did they obtain your contact details? Your personal details are protected by Spain's Data Protection Act.

If they have these details it's because they purchased the data base of some timeshare company where you invested/were scammed. It is well-known these data bases are being continously (mis)sold in the black market amongst scammers who then set-up bogus "law firms" and then make cold-calls to the UK or elsewhere offering "group litigation" against the scammers in exchange of thousands of euros. These litgation procedures are never successful and those who pay for them are never returned their investments nor the "legal" (scam) fees paid.

In short, it's the scam of the scam.

Are they offering you a "group" legal action (law suit) against timeshare companies in which you've invested?

Have you spoken to one of their registered lawyers? Do you have the name, surname of this lawyer? If you can PM me the details of one of their lawyers.

We will look into it for you. We will post our findings on this thread.

Yours faithfully,
Raymundo LarraÃ*n Nesbitt

[Unregistered]

I am being pestered Andrea from Ramirez & Ramirez but have also been contacted by a company called Lazaro Flores; has anyone heard of them?

[Unregistered]

I received a cold call from a similar company but having had such calls before I was not paying much attention and did not hear if the company calling me was Ramirez & Ramirez legal consultants but they did seem to have a good idea of my dealings with DWVC. The caller asked me to send copies of most of the documents relating the contract with DWVC. I then received an e-mail from Ramirez and Ramirez legal consultants with a big long spiel on it. This allegedly came from a person nemed Antthony Gill. They did not, at the time ask me for

Dear Sir or Madam, any monet but it seems from what I have read on the various websites that they are, as usual with any matter dealing with timeshare, a bunch of crooks. Spain needs to get this business dealt with or it will quickly become a holiday desert where nobody will ever go there again.

I've never heard of this law firm before.

You write you are receiving cold-calls from them?

Legitimate Spanish law firms never do this.

How did they obtain your contact details? Your personal details are protected by Spain's Data Protection Act.

If they have these details it's because they purchased the data base of some timeshare company where you invested/were scammed. It is well-known these data bases are being continously (mis)sold in the black market amongst scammers who then set-up bogus "law firms" and then make cold-calls to the UK or elsewhere offering "group litigation" against the scammers in exchange of thousands of euros. These litgation procedures are never successful and those who pay for them are never returned their investments nor the "legal" (scam) fees paid.

In short, it's the scam of the scam.

Are they offering you a "group" legal action (law suit) against timeshare companies in which you've invested?

Have you spoken to one of their registered lawyers? Do you have the name, surname of this lawyer? If you can PM me the details of one of their lawyers.

We will look into it for you. We will post our findings on this thread.

Yours faithfully,
Raymundo LarraÃ*n Nesbitt

[Unregistered]

I have over the las week been contacted by this firm saying they can get all my monies back from my dealings with DWVC. I have spoken to some one called Jo Reed. They are wanting all my papers. I asked how much this was going to cost so she had their legal dept. give me a ring someone called David. After about ten minutes of chat and me prompting him all the time he said it would cost about £700 he then said Jo Reed would get back in touch sure after half an hour she rang, The thing which is really making me suspicious is that they are suposedly getting my money back which DWVC took of me plus the money I was going to get from the certificate plus honour the deal that DWVC were suppose to do in the first place

I would be pleased to hear from anyone who as had any success in getting any money back through any English Solicitors who may specialise with dealing with these cases

regards

[minnow11]

I have posted the above reply and have since registered on the site to keep up to speed with all the scams that are going on. I would still like to here from any one who as had any success against DWVC, I called myself minnow11 because I keep getting eaten up by the sharks out there

regards

[Tanya T]

Hi

I got money back for the DWVC pack I bought quite a long time ago. I thought I never would be able to do anything about it but I kept the paperwork as I had a reclaim certificate. i'm glad i did as i was able to claim my money back and compensation etc - but i did it through a claim specialist company in the uk. i would never pay a spanish company again - lots have tried to catch me out over the years. I've had Ramirez on the phone too. they had the gall to tell me i couldn't have got my money back via a uk lawyer. i had a right b**ch the last time they rang me.

my lawyer sued through the uk courts. you can get your money back if you used a credit card but with a lawyer they get you extras like interest, compensation damages and whatnot. Also, when i tried with HSBC they didn't want to know. they said i had waited too long.

i did have to pay something quite early on to the lawyers but you get your costs back. i was a bit wary as they pushed me at the beginning but i was nearing the time-bar stage, so that's why - although it felt a little resale-ish when they said i was running out of time to claim. turns out they were right tho.

I only went with the claims company because their office is in kent and i'm in sussex - so i went in first before paying out any money. you have to be so careful these days. the lawyers were up north tho and i never met them face to face but they didn't have any lawyers in my area.

the lawyers claim aginst the banks not the company so don't worry if ILG and DWVC has shut down.

what i want to know is why, if the law to protect us against these types of scams, has been around for years in spain why have i had to wait for a uk court case against spanish companies to give me the right to get my money back. i thought we were all supposed to be in europe!

very disappointed in spain i'm afraid.

[Unregistered]

Do not have any dealings this law firm in Malaga, Ramirez & Ramirez? they are nothing but con men they have just ripped my parents off with false promises to get money back from theyre time share scheme that was originally a con, they sent all the paperwork through with bogus spanish courts paperwork and conned another £600 out of them STAY AWAY