Ramirez and Ramirez

[aflores]

Please note that Martinez Echevarria, Perez y Ferrero Abogados is a legitimate and well established law firm that has nothing to do with cold-calling. I have already warned them of the contents of 2 posts and they will be taking appropriate measures.

[Unregistered]

Thank you. for these posts.
I was contacted by phone today by Mick Ellis (english voice) of Ramirez and Ramirez. He knew we had a timeshare,or similar (Incentive Leisure, DWVC) and knew all our details. He said that :- IL had closed down due to the death of the Managing director, Gary Leigh and that the spanish authorities had put an imbargo on his estate. (Sounds as if he knows what he's talking about doesn't it!!) He went on to embellish the story saying that Gary's family and fellow directors were trying to have the imbargo lifted so they would have access to the funds, approx 50 million euros. which was only 60% of what gary was worth, the rest being 'offshore'. He said his company were working with the spanish courts and fraud squad in Fuengirola. (sounds really upstanding) He further said that other companies were trying to contact people about recovering their funds, he knew of 6 but 3 of those were linked to Incentive Leisure!!! (he did not use the word scam but I felt it was implied) Reclaim Investment Bank (Gibraltar) was one of these who had already contacted us (very pushy, trip to tenerife was required !!! I don't think so!!) He is going to email me a 'Watchdog' report about IL and ring me next week when I have replied with COPIES OF ALL MY DOCUMENTATION !
He aslo warned me about continuing to book thru DWVC and that it may be problematic.
He got my email address from me but that's all he'll be getting. THANK YOU again

Does anyone have any advice about how to pursue the recovery of our original funds without being scammed again or should we give up on that and just keep warning others not to get involved in the first place.

[Unregistered]

same poster as #122
I was quite shocked when I saw the dates on the posts and realized for how long this had been going on.
Why has nothing yet been done about
a) the original holiday companies and
b) companies like r&r?

[sheribrim@yahoo.com]

Just had a call and two pages of detail about what they can do for us.All the same sort of docs requested and free of charge advice. Just too good to be true, not going to pursue, think you will agree that is the best course of action.

[Unregistered]

We have also been contacted by Gareth Fletcher, having previously been contacted by Reclaim Investment Bank & also a couple of other companies who could get our money back from DWVC & ILG we were extremely wary. I contacted the Office of Fair Trading & was told never to pay any money out. I think we may have to put this episode down to experience.

[Unregistered]

Georgina Dean 0034952045689

[puck]

Ik ben Nederlander en ben er achter gekomen dat je absoluut niet met Ramirez and Ramirez in zee moet gaan, Mocht U dit jaar nog naar Spanje gaan en heeft nog geen aangifte gedaan bij de politie omtrent de fraude Van Club Class Holidays etc,, doe dit als nog !!!
En er zijn andere advocaten die weg goed zijn, om daar mee in contact te komen, vraag het aan het Nederlandse Ambassade of het consulaat in Spanje.
Maar ga niet in zee met Ramirez, want zijn zijn geen echte advocaten !!!!!

[Unregistered]

I am contacted by Johanna Sander, I don t know what to do same story like yours I try to phone her but that was not possible on her own number

Ga niet met hun in zee, heb kontact gehad met een advocaat en politie in Spanje, er is veel meer aan de hand. Als je nog geen aangifte gedaan heb bij de politie, doe dit als nog, en wel in Spanje, dit is wel heel belangrijk dat te doen.

[aflores]

Well, the truth is now coming out and we will publish it, as we receive it. So far, it is interesting to know that Mr. Ramirez, who is suing the undersigned for defamation and, as he puts it in his own specialist lawyers´website, for lies and false statements,, was arrested no less than 4 times by the Malaga Spanish Police Fraud Squad.

In particular, Mr. Ramirez was arrested in the following dates, according to the Malaga Police:

12/05/2003
31/07/2006
28/03/2007
16/04/2008

Mr. Ramirez, let me be skeptical about your corporate statement that reads our wide staff of specialized lawyers and advisers have gained plenty of experience in these cases, which allows us to boast of being the leading firm in defending consumers with regard to timeshare, but at the same time, let me be fair with you: you do have tons of experience, yes, particulary on of how to get out of a prison cell and so, all you can boast about is your knowledge of the size of it, little more.

I wonder when is the next time you will be visiting one!

[Unregistered]

Nederlanders die hulp nodig hebben, in verband met geld teruggaven kunnen zich beter gaan melden bij dit advocaten bureau, zij spreken geen Nederlands, wel Engels. Deze mensen kunnen je beter helpen met adviseren wat te doen.
Ik ga het in ieder geval wel doen. Ik hoop dat meer Nederlanders zich advies vragen bij dit bureau, misschien kunnen we dan gezamenlijk wat meer bereiken.


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