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    Default Have received a phone call from Rodriguez Fernando y Sharpierez. Are they legal?

    Have received a phone call from Rodriguez Fernando y Sharpierez. Saying that Designer Way Vacation club is going to court in March they are asking for 186.50 euros and will take 10% of monies recovered. Is this a legal company I am so fed up with being ripped of. Their address is Avda Mijas 14, Edif Alegria 1 Local P173, 29640 Fuengirola, Malaga. Hope you can help

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    Dear Madam,

    It would be advisable you read the following thread:

    Public Warning.-Scammers passing themselves off as Spanish lawyers and law firms -13th March 2009

    Is that the name of the "law firm" that's contacted you from Fuengirola?

    I've never heard of that company before.

    Yours faithfully,
    Raymundo Larraín Nesbitt
    Last edited by Lawbird Lawyer; 01-27-2010 at 11:24 AM.

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    I've been receiving more emails on them and have looked them up:

    http://rfsabogados.com/index.html

    As per our legal articles a legitimate law firm would not give a mobile phone as the contact number:

    "Please call us on (0034) 673037494"

    Furthermore, their webiste has been registered on the 11th of January 2010 despite their "2007 copyright" sign displayed on their website:

    © 2007,Rodriguez, Fernando & Sharpirez. All rights reserved


    I'm afraid it's another bogus law firm, yes.

    Tu petición es "rfsabogados.com"
    Domain Name: RFSABOGADOS.COM
    Registrar: 1 API GMBH
    Updated Date: 11-jan-2010
    Creation Date: 11-jan-2010
    Expiration Date: 11-jan-2011

    >>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 10:06:50 UTC <<<


    Public Warning.-Scammers passing themselves off as Spanish lawyers and law firms 13th March 2009


    9 Tips on How to Determine if an Offer is a Scam
    October 17th, 2008 @ 14:10 by admin


    We are receiving a dozen queries every day asking about the legitimacy of certain offer, generally received by email or over the phone after a cold call. Unfortunately, we cannot analyze case by case, and therefore will provide a set of useful hints which will help you evaluate the legitimacy of the company or individual yourself.

    The list below is provided in no particular order:

    1. Is the domain name old enough? By means of a Whois search you can find out when the domain name was registered. If it’s only a few weeks old, be suspicious.

    2. Are they using mobiles? – If the phones used as contact numbers are mobile numbers instead of land lines, it’s definitely not a good sign. In Spain, mobile numbers start by +34 6..

    3. Have you been contacted out of the blue? – If you where cold called, or received an email from someone you don’t know, ask yourself why these people have your contact details.

    4. Are you being requested to pay money upfront? This is the single most worrying point if it comes in conjunction of with one or more of the above.

    5. Are they requesting you a money transfer through Western Union or similar?

    6. Is the offer too good to be true? If the offer sounds too good to be true, it probably is.

    7. Is the company properly registered? – Although it’s something positive if they can provide you with company registration details, you shouldn’t give this point too much importance. Fraudsters have been registering companies for decades with the sole purpose of deceiving (e.g. dozens of companies where incorporated by fraudsters to conduct the infamous Timeshare Resale Scam)

    8. Is the address for their offices correct? – Not sure why, fraudsters tend to provide you with fake addresses which don’t really exist. Check any of the online street directories and find out if the address provided is correct.

    9. Something strange about their names? Funny names such as “Woley Fernandez” or “Barrister Perez Santos ESQ” are names made up by Nigerians conducting 419 advance fee scams (the terms “Barrister” or “ESQ” don’t exist in Spanish law). Also, fraudsters tend to cite fake organisms such as “The Ministry of Finance” or “The Security Company”.

    10. What others are saying – Use search engines to find information about the company. Try putting the company in inverted comas, and add terms like “scam” or “fraud”. The company or individual you mention might have already been reported online as fraudsters by other people.

    Needless to say, the above list shouldn’t be taken as definitive, nor the absolute legitimacy o illegitimacy of a company established based on one or more of the above points. You can use it, however, to personally evaluate the risk of the transaction.

    My recommendation is that you never pay any moneys upfront if you have been contacted out of the blue. However, if you have to, before doing so always suggest the use of an escrow company (chosen by you) to hold the funds until the product or service has been delivered. If they refuse, I recommend that you back off.

    Always remember; have a lawyer analyze the transaction before making any up-front payments.
    Last edited by Lawbird Lawyer; 02-01-2010 at 06:22 PM.

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    It's impressive how the wording of RFS abogados is identical to that of First Legal Services.

    First Legal Services´ wording:

    First Legal Services:


    "First Legal Services came into being to deal primarily with British clients who had been the victim of Timeshare-related crimes originating in Spain. It had become clear that some kind of independent advisory service, in plain English, would be beneficial for people who often just needed the answer to some basic questions and would compliment the full service our lawyers and advisers already provided.

    Our system of adviser/lawyer liaison is unusual in Spain, even today, but the benefits are clear: our advisers can answer simple queries, provide fact sheets, refer to another authority or, if legal action is unavoidable, take all the details of the grievance and book time with the relevant lawyer. Lawyers’ time is not tied up unnecessarily and most problems can be dealt with cost-effectively or often for free.


    With Real Estate as a background, our legal professionals gradually moved into the area of Timeshare law to deal with a huge increase in Timeshare and Holiday Club enquiries and grievances. It was not until 2008, however, that a decision was made to create a company dedicated primarily to Timeshare and Consumer Law (as it relates to Timeshare). The timing was not unintentional. New and stringent legislation brought in by Europe and Spain is being implemented and enforced now and a number of high profile cases against Timeshare-related companies are currently going through the Law Courts of Malaga Province.


    We expect, this year, to see a large increase in the numbers of claims being brought against these companies and a record number of claims being paid out. Indeed, we are witnessing a new era for the Timeshare industry – one in which the victims can not only fight back but also win. With fully qualified, highly experienced lawyers, at the cutting edge of the new European and Spanish legislation on your side, you can be part of a winning team".

    Rodriguez, Fernando & Sharpierez wording:

    http://rfsabogados.com/about.html

    "About Rodriguez, Fernando y Sharpirez

    We came into being to deal primarily with British clients who had been the victim of Timeshare-related crimes originating in Spain. It had become clear that some kind of independent advisory service, in plain English, would be beneficial for people who often just needed the answer to some basic questions and would compliment the full service our lawyers and advisers already provided.

    Our system of adviser/lawyer liaison is unusual in Spain, even today, but the benefits are clear: our advisers can answer simple queries, provide fact sheets, refer to another authority or, if legal action is unavoidable, take all the details of the grievance and book time with the relevant lawyer. Lawyers’ time is not tied up unnecessarily and most problems can be dealt with cost-effectively or often for free.

    With Real Estate as a background, our legal professionals gradually moved into the area of Timeshare law to deal with a huge increase in Timeshare and Holiday Club enquiries and grievances. It was not until 2008, however, that a decision was made to create a company dedicated primarily to Timeshare and Consumer Law (as it relates to Timeshare). The timing was not unintentional. New and stringent legislation brought in by Europe and Spain is being implemented and enforced now and a number of high profile cases against Timeshare-related companies are currently going through the Law Courts of Malaga Province.

    We expect, this year, to see a large increase in the numbers of claims being brought against these companies and a record number of claims being paid out. Indeed, we are witnessing a new era for the Timeshare industry – one in which the victims can not only fight back but also win. With fully qualified, highly experienced lawyers, at the cutting edge of the new European and Spanish legislation on your side, you can be part of a winning team".

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    Angry Beware

    We have been conned by this company, unfortunately we did not know about this website or we would never have parted with any money.
    Please be very careful.

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    Default You are NOT alone

    Unfortunatly we have been caught just like you. We thought that they were so professional we belived what they said. How can people behave in such away. Is there No way that we can get back at them and STOP it happening to others.

    Like you we have only just found this site because I was trying to chase them up. I feel really sick and ashamed that we have been caught out!!

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