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  1. #11
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    Hola!

    Norman Baker MP has involved himself in this. If anyone wants to write to him:
    http://www.normanbaker.org.uk/contact.htm

    I wrote yesterday informing him of Our Petition, and will post any response I get. Please sign Our Petition.
    www.spanishpropertyscandalpetition.co.uk

    Thanks & regards from Suzanne, from a very very cold U.K.

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    I invested 105,000 euros with Ocean View Properties in 2005/06 for an apartment in their Estepona Beach and Country club site. Subsequently the site has not been built and all indications would sugguest planning permission was never in the offing!! Surely this is a clear breach of contract and we get our monies back??? Now Ocean View Properties have went into administration and we're told we are not company does not regard us as creditors! Can anyone offer advice, i have exhausted all avenues of resonable contact with Ocean view properties and while they assure me my monies are safe they cannot indicate where they are!

    Any help would be much appreciated

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    Dear Sir/Madam,

    We strongly suggest you retain a UK law firm specialised in litigation regarding OVP.

    Where are your funds?
    How can they assure your funds are safe and at the same time they are unable to tell you where they are?

    The experience we've had dealing with OVP has been dreadful -to put it mildly-.
    Last edited by Lawbird Lawyer; 01-16-2009 at 06:40 PM.

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    Dear Lawbird Lawyer,

    Thank you for the reply. At time of purchase the introducer, and OVP franchise manager for my area, assured us the monies would be in a nesco account. For some twelve months now i have been requesting my deposit returned for breach of contract, including a formal written request. Each time i have been hit with obstacles, my solicitor has no help or guidance and claims it's outside their area. OVP initially claimed the monies were held in a joint OVP/developer account, and their release could only be authorised by dual signature and the developer would not allow this. However at end of 2008 they changed this to say the developer had all the monies, developer being sun golf, this totally contradicted what we'd been told all along!!

    Have you any experience on this issues with OVP or Sun golf and whats the best way forward???

    p.s i have contacted the uk administrator by e-mail.

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    Dear Sir/Madam,

    Estepona Beach and Country Club (EBCC) is a development which is regarded as a black spot. This development is not going to be finished, at least presently.

    Sungolf Desarrollo Inmobiliario is well known.

    In any case when it comes to OVP we are unable to help you. The reason is that purchasers paid OVP the full stage payments of their off-plan properties when this is never done like this.

    The way it's done normally is that a purchaser pays the Spanish lawyer who you've appointed to act on your behalf in the conveyance and he in turn transfers the funds over to the developer as per the PPC. If something goes wrong then he can always litigate because he has prove of the interim payments made to the developer.

    The way how OVP organised it bars you from litigating because they at no time are able to provide bank statements proving the funds were actually sent over to the developer as we've experienced numerous times. In fact they charged 7% VAT upfront which is never done claiming this is how things were normally done in Spain, far from it. It seems this was really their commission not the VAT. So now many Spanish developers are claiming to be paid the 7% VAT as well which purchasers in good faith had already paid -or so they were misled to think by OVP-.

    In any case, we cannot litigate without a purchaser supplying us with prove of having actually paid the developer as the whole law suit hinges on these stage payments. OVP at no time are providing prove of having sent over the funds to the developers except the initial security deposit which strikes the property off the market.

    So or you either swap over to another development which is key ready and already has the Licence of First Occupation (AKA LFO or Habitation Licence) or else you litigate in the UK.

    I recommend you all group together and retain a proficient UK litigation law firm.

    Please visit these threads on EBCC:

    1.- eyeonspain.com/ViewDevNo.aspx?dev=E275
    2.- spanishpropertyinsight.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2967
    Last edited by Lawbird Lawyer; 02-05-2009 at 02:28 PM.

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    Dear Sirs

    Firstly I would like to ask to Marbella Lawyers to allow me to place this message on their web; if they do so then I would like to thank you for that.

    My name is Ignacio Morillas-Paredes. I am a dual qualified Spanish Lawyer/English Solicitor.
    I am currently representing over 30 clients that unfortunately -between 2002 and 2006- decided to buy a property in Spain through Ocean Views.

    My clients bought properties in 5 different developments. In most of my client's cases an english solicitor firm was recommended by Ocean View and indeed this firm was in turn instructed by my clients.

    From my clients files it transpires that this solicitor firm advice did not meet the standards that could be expected for a solicitors firm.

    Therefore provided Marbella Lawyers allow me to do so I would like to provide you with my email address and office number in case i can be of any assistance to any of the clients affected in this case.

    Kind regards

    i.morillas@rfblegal.co.uk + 44 (0)207 749 4827

    Ignacio Morillas-Paredes

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    Hi Ignacio

    Welcome to the belegal.com forums. You are welcome to post your contact details and any other information which can be useful to Ocean View clients. Perhaps you would like to become a registered user, which has many benefits. It allows you subscribe to threads and receive notifications when new posts are made, to have signatures at the bottom of your posts, to post links (not available for unregistered users), etc.

    It also lets you use the PM facility. Regarding the posting of email addresses on forums, it is generally not recommendable to do so, as email addresses are spidered by spammers. It is generally better to use PMs to communicate with users, or a web form at your company's site.

    We hope to see you around often!

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    'So or you either swap over to another development which is key ready and already has the Licence of First Occupation (AKA LFO or Habitation Licence) or else you litigate in the UK'.

    I would like to ask a question on this, knowing that OVP are in administration and possibly soon to be liquidated then if we were to try and transfer to an as built property by transferring our deposit then is there a chance that the property could be taken from us by the liquidators?

    Jo

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    Dear Madam,

    The property is lodged under the name of a developer not under OVP's name. So even though they are in liquidation that doesn't affect you in the least regarding the liquidators. Another matter being is if OVP has transferred or is able to wire over your full stage payments from one development to another.

    They acted as a middleman between you and the developer taking their commission. They don't own the development, at least in Spain.

    If you swap over to another key-ready development with a Licence of First Occupation granted just make sure we are talking of Spain.

    Because swapping over to more exotic locations may prove detrimental for your pocket.
    Last edited by Lawbird Lawyer; 03-25-2009 at 11:25 AM.

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    I am trying to locate any client's of OVP who purchased on EBCC and used an OVP recommened solicitor other than Conveyancing Spain. Please send me a message on the eyeonspain.co.uk website. Anyone who did use Conveyancing Spain then Ignacio above would be able to help you with some advice. He is very knowledgable in the OVP/EBCC nightmare. If you did use a laywer other than Conveyanving Spain you can also contact Ignacio. I am trying to see if the work provided to me was below the standard required and if I can build a group to take legal advice/action with Ignacio's help if it was.

    Marbella-Laywers - thank-you for your helpful advice. I hope my posting is okay with you.

    Regards
    Joey123

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