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Paul
11-28-2008, 03:02 PM
Paid 88,0000 Euros deposit to Ocean View Properties for a purchase of an off plan development called Estepona Beach and Country Club Estepona Costa Del Sol Spain. I now live in Spain and am getting lots of bits of information that the developer was a Ricardo Miranda Miret who I have found a document showing the transfer with his name to the Dominican Republic for 90,000,000 US Dollars from Spain .Have you got any assistance with this situation ! ! I did an agreement with OVP they agreed to pay me 15,000 then 4,000 a month last Nov. This was partially paid then stopped !

Unregistered
11-30-2008, 04:44 PM
Paid 88,0000 Euros deposit to Ocean View Properties for a purchase of an off plan development called Estepona Beach and Country Club Estepona Costa Del Sol Spain. I now live in Spain and am getting lots of bits of information that the developer was a Ricardo Miranda Miret who I have found a document showing the transfer with his name to the Dominican Republic for 90,000,000 US Dollars from Spain .Have you got any assistance with this situation ! ! I did an agreement with OVP they agreed to pay me 15,000 then 4,000 a month last Nov. This was partially paid then stopped !

What is indicating you that the money transferred to Dominican Republic is your deposit?

aflores
11-30-2008, 09:06 PM
It may be difficult to tell where the funds went but it is certainly very relevant as Spanish Law on guarantees dictate that funds receive as part payment for a property should be deposited in a special account to use specifically towards constructions costs.

I suggest you keep the pressure up and if you need further help do not hesitate to contact us.

Unregistered
12-01-2008, 03:45 AM
I don't want to hijack the thread but it looks like Estepona Beach and Country Club is not the only Development "delayed" in which this gentleman is involved. Punta Perla in Dominican Republic is about 2 years late. How many more developments are there with the combination of OVP and Ricardo Miranda involved?

ted
12-05-2008, 07:03 PM
Paul...can you please contact me urgently about your problem on +44 208 612 7075/7301 and ask for ted. I can help.

Ted

Lawbird Lawyer
12-11-2008, 08:01 PM
You may want to read the following:

http://www.express.co.uk/features/view/74937/TV-star-is-200-000-victim-of-Spanish-property-swindle

Suzanne
12-12-2008, 04:12 PM
I find it amazing that this chap - a highly respected advisor in property investment - has also become a 'victim'!

Interesting to read what he had to say in 2005 (when a Partner in OVP):

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5067/is_/ai_n29224423

Think I'll write to him & ask if he'd like to sign Our Petition:cool:

Suzanne
12-14-2008, 08:09 PM
And more today...
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/75596

Suzanne
12-16-2008, 03:31 PM
Ocean View Properties state that "...their trading position continues to worsen..."
http://www.oceanviewpropertiesonline.com/

Lawbird Lawyer
01-14-2009, 04:13 PM
Another interesting article:

http://dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/79346

Suzanne
01-14-2009, 05:51 PM
Hola!

Norman Baker MP has involved himself in this. If anyone wants to write to him:
http://www.normanbaker.org.uk/contact.htm

I wrote yesterday informing him of Our Petition, and will post any response I get. Please sign Our Petition.
www.spanishpropertyscandalpetition.co.uk

Thanks & regards from Suzanne, from a very very cold U.K.

Disgusted
01-16-2009, 03:31 PM
I invested 105,000 euros with Ocean View Properties in 2005/06 for an apartment in their Estepona Beach and Country club site. Subsequently the site has not been built and all indications would sugguest planning permission was never in the offing!! Surely this is a clear breach of contract and we get our monies back??? Now Ocean View Properties have went into administration and we're told we are not company does not regard us as creditors! Can anyone offer advice, i have exhausted all avenues of resonable contact with Ocean view properties and while they assure me my monies are safe they cannot indicate where they are!

Any help would be much appreciated

Lawbird Lawyer
01-16-2009, 04:15 PM
Dear Sir/Madam,

We strongly suggest you retain a UK law firm specialised in litigation regarding OVP.

Where are your funds?
How can they assure your funds are safe and at the same time they are unable to tell you where they are?

The experience we've had dealing with OVP has been dreadful -to put it mildly-.

Disgusted
01-20-2009, 10:27 PM
Dear Lawbird Lawyer,

Thank you for the reply. At time of purchase the introducer, and OVP franchise manager for my area, assured us the monies would be in a nesco account. For some twelve months now i have been requesting my deposit returned for breach of contract, including a formal written request. Each time i have been hit with obstacles, my solicitor has no help or guidance and claims it's outside their area. OVP initially claimed the monies were held in a joint OVP/developer account, and their release could only be authorised by dual signature and the developer would not allow this. However at end of 2008 they changed this to say the developer had all the monies, developer being sun golf, this totally contradicted what we'd been told all along!!

Have you any experience on this issues with OVP or Sun golf and whats the best way forward???

p.s i have contacted the uk administrator by e-mail.

Lawbird Lawyer
01-21-2009, 10:58 AM
Dear Sir/Madam,

Estepona Beach and Country Club (EBCC) is a development which is regarded as a black spot. This development is not going to be finished, at least presently.

Sungolf Desarrollo Inmobiliario is well known.

In any case when it comes to OVP we are unable to help you. The reason is that purchasers paid OVP the full stage payments of their off-plan properties when this is never done like this.

The way it's done normally is that a purchaser pays the Spanish lawyer who you've appointed to act on your behalf in the conveyance and he in turn transfers the funds over to the developer as per the PPC. If something goes wrong then he can always litigate because he has prove of the interim payments made to the developer.

The way how OVP organised it bars you from litigating because they at no time are able to provide bank statements proving the funds were actually sent over to the developer as we've experienced numerous times. In fact they charged 7% VAT upfront which is never done claiming this is how things were normally done in Spain, far from it. It seems this was really their commission not the VAT. So now many Spanish developers are claiming to be paid the 7% VAT as well which purchasers in good faith had already paid -or so they were misled to think by OVP-.

In any case, we cannot litigate without a purchaser supplying us with prove of having actually paid the developer as the whole law suit hinges on these stage payments. OVP at no time are providing prove of having sent over the funds to the developers except the initial security deposit which strikes the property off the market.

So or you either swap over to another development which is key ready and already has the Licence of First Occupation (http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/articles/showArticle/lfo-licence-of-first-occupation) (AKA LFO or Habitation Licence) or else you litigate in the UK.

I recommend you all group together and retain a proficient UK litigation law firm.

Please visit these threads on EBCC:

1.- eyeonspain.com/ViewDevNo.aspx?dev=E275
2.- spanishpropertyinsight.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2967

Unregistered
01-26-2009, 09:57 PM
Dear Sirs

Firstly I would like to ask to Marbella Lawyers to allow me to place this message on their web; if they do so then I would like to thank you for that.

My name is Ignacio Morillas-Paredes. I am a dual qualified Spanish Lawyer/English Solicitor.
I am currently representing over 30 clients that unfortunately -between 2002 and 2006- decided to buy a property in Spain through Ocean Views.

My clients bought properties in 5 different developments. In most of my client's cases an english solicitor firm was recommended by Ocean View and indeed this firm was in turn instructed by my clients.

From my clients files it transpires that this solicitor firm advice did not meet the standards that could be expected for a solicitors firm.

Therefore provided Marbella Lawyers allow me to do so I would like to provide you with my email address and office number in case i can be of any assistance to any of the clients affected in this case.

Kind regards

i.morillas@rfblegal.co.uk + 44 (0)207 749 4827

Ignacio Morillas-Paredes

ifv
01-27-2009, 11:06 PM
Hi Ignacio

Welcome to the belegal.com forums. You are welcome to post your contact details and any other information which can be useful to Ocean View clients. Perhaps you would like to become a registered user, which has many benefits. It allows you subscribe to threads and receive notifications when new posts are made, to have signatures at the bottom of your posts, to post links (not available for unregistered users), etc.

It also lets you use the PM facility. Regarding the posting of email addresses on forums, it is generally not recommendable to do so, as email addresses are spidered by spammers. It is generally better to use PMs to communicate with users, or a web form at your company's site.

We hope to see you around often!

Unregistered
03-24-2009, 10:28 PM
'So or you either swap over to another development which is key ready and already has the Licence of First Occupation (AKA LFO or Habitation Licence) or else you litigate in the UK'.

I would like to ask a question on this, knowing that OVP are in administration and possibly soon to be liquidated then if we were to try and transfer to an as built property by transferring our deposit then is there a chance that the property could be taken from us by the liquidators?

Jo

Lawbird Lawyer
03-25-2009, 10:25 AM
Dear Madam,

The property is lodged under the name of a developer not under OVP's name. So even though they are in liquidation that doesn't affect you in the least regarding the liquidators. Another matter being is if OVP has transferred or is able to wire over your full stage payments from one development to another.

They acted as a middleman between you and the developer taking their commission. They don't own the development, at least in Spain.

If you swap over to another key-ready development with a Licence of First Occupation (http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/articles/showArticle/lfo-licence-of-first-occupation) granted just make sure we are talking of Spain.

Because swapping over to more exotic locations may prove detrimental for your pocket.

Unregistered
03-31-2009, 11:01 PM
I am trying to locate any client's of OVP who purchased on EBCC and used an OVP recommened solicitor other than Conveyancing Spain. Please send me a message on the eyeonspain.co.uk website. Anyone who did use Conveyancing Spain then Ignacio above would be able to help you with some advice. He is very knowledgable in the OVP/EBCC nightmare. If you did use a laywer other than Conveyanving Spain you can also contact Ignacio. I am trying to see if the work provided to me was below the standard required and if I can build a group to take legal advice/action with Ignacio's help if it was.

Marbella-Laywers - thank-you for your helpful advice. I hope my posting is okay with you.

Regards
Joey123

ifv
04-01-2009, 10:34 AM
Hi Joey123. Welcome to our forums.

Sure you can post anything you wish provided it is in the best interest of those caught in this OVP mess. The ultimate goal of this site is to help people out, and anything which contributes to this goal is welcome.

Forming a group and joining forces is indeed an excellente idea. Good luck!

Unregistered
04-01-2009, 08:53 PM
Hi,

I believe that OVP have gone into liquidation. Not sure what this means for Estepona clients. According to XXXX XXXX, this will have no effect on our refunds coming through. If he has been lying then I will hound him everyday until my hard earned money is returned! I'm feeling so angry now with this whole farce. I believe that XXXX XXXX, XXXX XXXX, XXX XXXXX XXXX XXX and XXXX XXXX are all in this scam together and once scum like this are behind bars the world will be a better place! Amen

Unregistered
04-13-2009, 02:00 PM
anyone bought there? I have and again it is a total farce.
I would want at least 50% of money back but unsure of how to go about this. Any suggestions?
Do I pursue OV or developer who is a year late on delivery and will not deliver on what was promised interms of compex or OV who cannot guarantee my rent now and also that the developer may not have gotten any of my funds in first place.

glitz
04-14-2009, 10:42 AM
How shocked was i to read yesterday about Ocean View, At last all there scamming and arrogant bull**it has caugh up with them and yes guys your right there all guilty and the sooner XXX XXXX and his maffia con men are behind bars the better, I ashamedly worked for these people in 2004 at Longdon Hall, but only for 11months i knew something was crooked so i left, there was a fast turn over of employees as when they got to know to much XXXX XXXX ( XXXX right hand man ) would make them redundant,
We had many unhappy people including famous footballers and normal hard working people, nice people coming to the hall in tears, frustrated and generaly conned out of there money, These guys are good shrewd and dishonest but XXXX played the big i am splashing out on big lush parties with corpius amounts of champagne, flying in to work in his helicopter or pulling up in his bentley all payed for by his victims.
I never knew for certain what was amiss but i did now i didnt want to work for them anymore,my job was so small and insagnificant but i got to hear alot but not enough.
I wish all Ocean Views Victims very good luck and hope you all get your money back, XXXX has enough property to sell to pay back these poor people, perhaps they should take his home the mill in yoxall and all the other houses he owns in that area but no doubt he has that one covered.

Joey123
04-15-2009, 09:56 AM
Dear Glitz

What do you mean? What happened "yesterday"? Can you give more details and where you read about this?

Regards

Joey123

glitz
04-15-2009, 11:14 AM
hi joey,
sorry didnt make my self clear, i first found out about ocean view going bump and seans set up death, wen i was searching the net yesterday with a friend as she is moving to spain and we got talking about who i used to work for and i wouldnt buy off them ect...so we went in to the site to have a look and wham!, XXXXX empire has crumbled, i have read much more in the last few days apparently his partner XXXXXXXXXXXX XXX owns there [..]

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let's just hope the english and spanish authorities can bring these men to justice and they all get there money back,
good luck
regards Claire

Unregistered
04-15-2009, 03:45 PM
Glitz,

do you have a secure email address i can contact you on?? We may have a lot in common with one or two people at OVP....you may be interested.....

To the others although i sympathise with you all - and i would dearly like all involved in OVP to be caught out - i just have a feeling that they will lay low until all this dies down, after all they have made untold millions out of all this and will not be wanting to give them up....a certain finanicial advisor is already keeping a very low profile!

Joey123
04-15-2009, 09:21 PM
Last poster

I would be interested to hear what you have to say. Do you have an e-mail address?

Regards

Joey123

Unregistered
04-16-2009, 10:23 AM
I know of this lot as I am from Lichfield
The "farm" owned by Roger de Havilland is not rented off Colin Thomas. The house is situated amongst other properties in what used to be a farming complex, but is now amongst barn conversions. The house was attached to a farm many years ago but was sold off by the farms owner.
Michelle de Havilland is Colins long term partner, they have been together for many years and she is the mother of his 3 children.
Try to get all of your facts straight. I have friends/family who have invested their hard earned money thro' OVP so I know how you are all feeling.

Joey123
04-16-2009, 10:50 AM
In know your comments are not to do with me, however, I am not clear if you are defending Colin Thomas in your post or the reputation of his partner and her family? A lot is wrong with OVP and of course it is Colin that owns OVP. Can you explain or enlighten us as to this man and his intentions to put right the wrong doings?

Unregistered
04-16-2009, 11:15 AM
I have been trying to contact the ringleader but not had any luck but now we know where he lives i guess that will be the only way of contacting him.
Glitz is the mill easy to find?

Unregistered
04-16-2009, 02:40 PM
I'm not defending him, as I know of lots of his businesses have gone bust owing people money. What I am saying is that former employees are dishing out facts which are simply not true. I am assisting people in trying to get to the bottom of whats gone on

glitz
04-17-2009, 10:13 AM
You seem to know so much about XXX and XXXX perhaps your family or friends or even XXX?, i wrote what i know , Might not all be right but staff talk, it's human nature,i have been left ovp many years and things have probably change in this time alot...ohh yes more people have been ripped off, we had people coming to the hall in 2004 that were unhappy and ended up with no property so how come XXX was allowed to carry on treating people like this for years to come, he knew what was going on he's a millionare buisness man nothing or nobody does anything without his say so including XXX XXX, you telling me he didnt know what was amiss.......I DONT THINK SO!
The worst thing is all the staff new but never for certain, but were frightened to say anything this is why i left i felt uncomfortable working for him, and i feel ashamed i was part of this even if unknowingly, I know XXX is XXX long term partner but its convenient there house is in her sole name, perhaps they predicted or they knew things would go tits up.
I feel very sorry for all these victims and wish them well

glitz
04-17-2009, 10:24 AM
I have been trying to contact the XX XX XX but not had any luck but now we know where he lives i guess that will be the only way of contacting him.
Glitz is the mill easy to find?

hiya,
the mill is in XX XXX it's not that hard to find, i wish you all well and do hope everyone get there money back good luck all,
Im deleting my registration on here as from 2 day so sorry cant help you with anything else am scared of come backs.:(
I was just not surprised to see the outcome of this company and what had happened

Good Luck "GO GET HIM"
Claire

Unregistered
04-17-2009, 12:42 PM
Claire

i wonder if you or XXX know the female staff member that colin was paying extra bonuses to? apparently it was not that well a kept secret - the only fool who had no idea was XXX !

money can get a dirty old man everything, although the money he was forking out was not his!

so do you know?

glitz
04-20-2009, 10:22 AM
that would be XXXX quiet common knowledge, except for XXX obviously as all XXX property is in her name

Unregistered
04-21-2009, 02:32 PM
Claire

that is correct what i could never understand was that at the same time as the bonus from XXX there was also another bonus from XXX XXX but when you spoke to them one did not seem to know about the other. either way she managed to get a lot of the deposits that were never returned - mine included!

was that common knowledge? the XX XXX bit?

Unregistered
04-22-2009, 04:52 PM
link to the latest on oceanview and colin thomas in the sunday express

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/96214/Bosses-to-be-quizzed-over-property-firm-s-debts

Unregistered
04-22-2009, 09:11 PM
Thank you for the information. My life has been ruined from losing my life savings on this scam, my mortgage has fallen into arrears and my wife has suffered a miscarriage due to the stress we have been going through and I am now suffering from depression. I will put all my efforts into ensuring that their lives are turned upside down just like they have done to mine. I will never give up this fight. XXX XXX XXX, XXX XXX , XXX XXXX, XXX XXXX, XXX XXXX you will not get away with your scam, and I'm sure many will support me in saying this. You can only hide out for so long!

Unregistered
05-04-2009, 01:51 AM
i invested in punta perla and he stole over 250 thousand dollars from me. i contacted the F.B.I. and so far no luck. he scamed 1000 investers, any one have any idea how and what to do. have a lawyer but i think all money is gone. for more information go to singingpig forum.

orla blevins
05-05-2009, 02:17 PM
Hi all, just heard the news re OVP going into liquidation. I have invested money in the estepona complex. I am currently trying to arrange a meetinbg with anyone in N.Ireland that is in the same situation so if anyone would like join us contact myself. We are going to join forces and fight this battle oursleves. From what I can see, this scam has been going on for years and if I had of did some research online, I wouldn't have invested. I placed my trust in agents of OVP who were good sales people. We have a alot of influential people who invested in peoperty, solicitgors, lawyers, accountants, etc..so we will utilise our skills to go after those responsible and ntry and get our money back.

Cheers

Unregistered
05-05-2009, 02:19 PM
I also bought in the G.O.M. and I would be interested in how to proceed.

Estepona Investor
05-05-2009, 03:20 PM
Hi Orla.
I also invested with OVP on Estepona and will be looking to take action.Are you aware of the meeting in Manchester on 5 June @ the insolvensy service. The money is with Ricardo Miranda so that's who we need to go after. Speak soon.

Unregistered
05-06-2009, 11:20 AM
In a similar position re Estepona deposit. From N Ireland and would like to talk about way forward.

Unregistered
05-06-2009, 02:33 PM
I am also an "investor" in OVP's Estepona shambles, and only found out yesterday about the situation. It's basically my pension they have lost me. Does anyone know of an action group or similar that I can join forces with. I have all the documentation from day 1 - lists and list of e-mails that went unanswered over 2 years, desite being chased weekly etc etc - and have no problems with naming and shaming. Obviously I ultimately want to get some or all of my money back - however - if that doesn't happen, then I want every person involved in OVP to go through the stress and uncertainty it's causing me now. And some....

Unregistered
05-06-2009, 02:42 PM
............Are you aware of the meeting in Manchester on 5 June @ the insolvensy service. The money is with Ricardo Miranda so that's who we need to go after. Speak soon.

Can anyone tell me more about the meeting on June 5th? Where and when? many thanks

Unregistered
05-06-2009, 03:30 PM
You need to contact The Insolvency Service on 0161 234 8531 and ask for a creditors pack.
Orla, Can you tell me a way i can get in touch with you. Im sure we have some "friends" in common. New to this site and dont want to put in my contact details.

Joey123
05-07-2009, 11:19 AM
Hi all

I am on EBCC and am looking to consider joint action against a certain solicitor probably, so if you want to contact me then please do. Go to Eye on Spain and read the ebcc thread. i am known as Joey123 on the site. I am particularly interested in contacting those purchasers based in NI

Regards

Joey123

Joey123
05-07-2009, 11:26 AM
Just a word of warning- we are not creditors of ovp. Our money was not meant to part of the trading assets of the company so i for one will insist i am not a creditor of ovp. My money has been stolen/misappropriated. The contract was breached and the terms of my agreement was that it was to be held in a designated client account. It was not and those who allowed it to be transferred to ricardo miranda, if it was, need to refund the money to me.
Joey123

Joey123
05-08-2009, 07:39 PM
See following news re theiving scumsbags:

Oceanview Properties International Ltd

The Official Receiver is conducting an investigation into the collapse of Oceanview Properties International Ltd, and a letter to creditors has been sent out with a request for all relevant information.

Staffordshire Police, the Serious Fraud Office and the City of London Police have been working closely with the Insolvency Service in respect of allegations made concerning the activities of the company and its officers. Further meetings between these agencies have been scheduled to review the findings and consider any evidence of criminal conduct within the UK.

Any creditor wishing to register their claim with the Insolvency Service should provide their details prior to the creditors meeting to be held on 5 June 2009.

They can do this either in writing to The Case Administrator, The Insolvency Service, Public Interest Unit (North), 3 Piccadilly Place, London Road, Manchester, M1 3BN, or by ringing 0161 234 8469 or by e-mailing piu.north@insolvency.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:piu.north@insolvency.gsi.gov.uk




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08 May 2009 12:29

joey123

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I've made 50 posts

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As an another conned OVP "investor", in Estepona Beach and Country Club, my personal view is that I will be telling the Insolvancy Service my deposit was never to be part of the trading assets of OVP (which according to OVP when trying to get us to part with my money was the case) but was to be held in a designated client account until the planning permission (build licence) was granted. They did not do that so have basically stolen my money as they do not have it to return it. So I suggest if the same applies to you make sure you resist being listed a creditor as you will be getting bugger all from the liquidation but ensure they know the truth and ask them to investigate said company and director and shareholder together with the police and get some justice even if it is just a bit of time inside and all assets seized - of course, they have done nothing wrong really as they will tell you till the end of time.

Although they did get the "licence to place the site hut and to start scrapping the ground" - what a load of sh*t - as accompanied by the wonderful Disney news and picture of Mickey Mouse. Gullable - maybe - lied to and conned - absolutely.

Hound them, Tell the polce. Tel the Insolvancy Service what has happened. If they have done nothing wrong they have nothing to fear. Tell Ted Jeory at the Sunday Express. He likes OVP stories.






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I've made 50 posts

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I had one from The Insolancy Service. What is the one from Mazars about?

Does anyone agree we should not accept being listed as creditors of OVP. The money was never to be included as part of their trading assets, but in a designated client account (bonded/escrow account or whatever). If you accept you are creditors you are perhaps not helping your case. My view is the money was misappropriated (maybe taken) and should not have been. I would make a point of this to the Insolvency Service.

Who will be a the creditors meeting anyway to make a fuss?

Joey123

Lawbird Lawyer
05-11-2009, 02:29 PM
Dear All,

I would kindly remind you to mind the tone of some posts complying with the forum rules of this website. We don't take a personal stance on this matter.

Otherwise the web administrator will be contacted by OVP representatives -again- to delete the offensive posts.

Thank you.

Belegal Forum Rules. (http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82)

Joey123
05-11-2009, 03:00 PM
Sorry - that was me getting angry. Please edit and I will be more carefull. I don;t want to be taking liberties with yourselves and your ueful forum

Regards
Joey123

Unregistered
05-11-2009, 03:29 PM
Dear All,

I would kindly remind you to mind the tone of some posts complying with the forum rules of this website. We don't take a personal stance on this matter.

Otherwise the web administrator will be contacted by OVP representatives -again- to delete the offensive posts.

Thank you.

Belegal Forum Rules. (http://www.marbella-lawyers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82)

If possible when the web administrator is contacted by OVP representatives could you ask them to contact all Estepona clients and tell us where our money is

ifv
05-11-2009, 03:54 PM
Dear Unregistered,

The site admin (myself) is responsible for any content published online, especially in those cases where the posts are made by unregistered users. I am very sorry for the predicament you are in, and I sympathise with your cause, but I am not particularly interested in having to deal with a libel suit at this point. Therefore, if there are any comments of the nature discussed above which you would like to post on the forums, I welcome you to register and publicly post your personal details, including your passport number.

I hope you understand.

Thank you

Unregistered
05-12-2009, 11:39 AM
i invested in punta perla and he stole over 250 thousand dollars from me. i contacted the F.B.I. and so far no luck. he scamed 1000 investers, any one have any idea how and what to do. have a lawyer but i think all money is gone. for more information go to singingpig forum.

Dominican Watchdog is very interested in any information from victims of Punta Perla in the Dominican Republic - read our press release of Yesterday http://www.prweb.com/releases/realestate/dominicanrepublic/prweb2400024.htm

Unregistered
05-12-2009, 12:25 PM
I have today heard that Ricardo Miranda has been arrested in Madrid but dont know know how we can get this confirmed. Any ideas?

BPC1
05-12-2009, 03:31 PM
I have today heard that Ricardo Miranda has been arrested in Madrid but dont know know how we can get this confirmed. Any ideas?

Ricardo Miranda is in Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic at the moment, so that is hard to believe.

Unregistered
05-12-2009, 11:23 PM
Hi,

How did you get this information confirmed?
If he hasn't been arrested yet, I should imagine it wont be long before he is.

What a terrible man he is, I have just come across a website called singingpig where he has conned thousands more investors in dominican republic on a site called Punta Perla. It states on there that the project has been delayed like estepona beach and country, and now he has shut down the website for the development.
If he was not a crook surely he would issue some kind of statement to all worried investors.

Government, Police, Fraud departments please get this man put behind bars before he destroys more lives!!

BPC1
05-13-2009, 02:04 AM
Hi,

How did you get this information confirmed?
If he hasn't been arrested yet, I should imagine it wont be long before he is.

What a terrible man he is, I have just come across a website called singingpig where he has conned thousands more investors in dominican republic on a site called Punta Perla. It states on there that the project has been delayed like estepona beach and country, and now he has shut down the website for the development.
If he was not a crook surely he would issue some kind of statement to all worried investors.

Government, Police, Fraud departments please get this man put behind bars before he destroys more lives!!

You better confirm your faked info first. Why don't you register at this site?
My info is confirmed!
I just checked the other website you mentioned and you seem to be posting there as well and double fake and confirm your posts under different usernames, here and there!

Unregistered
05-13-2009, 10:26 AM
I think you will find that the majority of people who post on here are genuine investors who have worked hard for their money and now cannot find out where it is. Ricardo Miranda has very poor communication channels and I think you will find that he most certainly is being investigated by police and fraud departments. Do your research.
I guess you think he is a genuine honest businessman?? What a joke!

Unregistered
05-13-2009, 11:17 AM
Hi Orla
I'm in a similar situation regarding OVP and based in Northern Ireland, I would be happy to hear from you regarding this.
my tel number is 028 3862005
Beverley

Unregistered
05-13-2009, 02:29 PM
Hi Beverley,

Also in N ireland. Tried to call you but there is a number missing in your phone number. Please correct and i will call you for a chat about this mess and what should be done.

Unregistered
05-13-2009, 04:28 PM
I too have invested £70,000 in EBCC and would welcome as many people to join forces but really question what can be done???

We have been told that the police ae investigating but that will take years. Read the article Daily Express Wed 13 May 2009.

Do you know Warren Willis? Are you Warren Willis? If I find Warren Willis - he will need a doctor


Very unhappy, thoroughly mad, ready to kill - investor from Northern Ireland

Big Question - can we get our money back? We surely own a section of the bastard's plane which fell over Brazil !!!!!


Pat R

BPC1
05-13-2009, 04:32 PM
I think you will find that the majority of people who post on here are genuine investors who have worked hard for their money and now cannot find out where it is. Ricardo Miranda has very poor communication channels and I think you will find that he most certainly is being investigated by police and fraud departments. Do your research.
I guess you think he is a genuine honest businessman?? What a joke!

I also know for sure that construction is starting this week in Punta Perla.
Maybe you should be a little more reservedly with your personal feelings.

Unregistered
05-13-2009, 07:50 PM
Oh jolly good, builders all set to go! We shall see.
BPC1 you seem to know alot, what's happening to Ricardo's Estepona site then? He has taken mine and my husbands life savings and now ignores all calls etc...
Whats your answer to that?

Unregistered
05-13-2009, 08:42 PM
Pat r

Know how you feel regarding your post.
Call me on 02825684213 for a chat. And no i am not Mr Willis

Unregistered
05-14-2009, 08:01 AM
just got the news from my lawyer, ricardo only owns part of land he claimed was to be project, also most of company does not exist. he stole everything we lost two hundred fifty thousand dollars, trying to find place to live and to survive with my family. my life savings, any hopes of retiement education for my children, why can not he be stopped. the courts do nothing, where is the money, has he hidden it all. please someone put a end to this, where does he live. more peoples life will be ruined, if he is not stopped. i know money is gone forever, but why is he not in jail, hes been doing this a long time, anything we can provide to bring him down its available. we have contacted interpol, F.B.I. no response as of yet, who will take a interest in this and stop him.

BPC1
05-14-2009, 08:18 AM
just got the news from my lawyer, ricardo only owns part of land he claimed was to be project, also most of company does not exist. he stole everything we lost two hundred fifty thousand dollars, trying to find place to live and to survive with my family. my life savings, any hopes of retiement education for my children, why can not he be stopped. the courts do nothing, where is the money, has he hidden it all. please someone put a end to this, where does he live. more peoples life will be ruined, if he is not stopped. i know money is gone forever, but why is he not in jail, hes been doing this a long time, anything we can provide to bring him down its available. we have contacted interpol, F.B.I. no response as of yet, who will take a interest in this and stop him.

Are you really wondering why you don't get an anwser from the FBI?
Looking at your posts at other forums you really don't make much sense. If you are a true investor, please come forward and tell us what you purchased and bring some proof. In the meantime, construction at Punta Perla has started. You should be happy!

Unregistered
05-14-2009, 10:40 AM
BPC1

Investor on both Punta Perla and Estepona for my sins. Do you know anywhere that i could get confirmation building has began.

wilma
05-14-2009, 01:14 PM
To Pat R.
I have tried searching daily express for wed. Please can you post link to it or the heading of the article.
Thanks

BPC1
05-14-2009, 03:10 PM
To Pat R.
I have tried searching daily express for wed. Please can you post link to it or the heading of the article.
Thanks

I couldn't find it either, probably another attempt to misinform.
.

BPC1
05-14-2009, 03:14 PM
BPC1

Investor on both Punta Perla and Estepona for my sins. Do you know anywhere that i could get confirmation building has began.

I have seen it yesterday when I visited the property. If you happen to know someone in the area ask him or her to go there and check.

Unregistered
05-15-2009, 11:33 AM
found this link on another forum

info about Punta Perla development published yesterday day at Punta Perla Resale page.

http://puntaperlaresale.com/

Unregistered
05-15-2009, 04:13 PM
I have been following the posts on here for a while now as I have also lost money with this company.

My dealings closely mirror what other investors have gone through; deposit paid on the Benatalaya development, Notary papers signed at Oceanview offices in Staffordshire, mortgage applications completed & returned, then problems/delays etc etc, no/poor communication from Oceanview ensued, proposal to have deposits switched to a Moroccan development (Tafedna Bay Resort), new contracts were to be sent out but nothing arrived, constantly chasing info and not getting anywhere!!!!!

At the time of investing with Oceanview I was doing work for a country wide, mortgage network. This mortgage network introduced Oceanview as 1 of 3 property companies that they would be working with to help promote overseas sales, commission would then be paid to brokers like myself who sold any of their properties. Due to the reputation & size of this mortgage network we were told that due diligence had been done to ensure Oceanview was a reputable company and that clients would be safe buying properties through them.

Obviously we all know this hasn't been the case. Not only it seems have individuals been duped but also large organisations.

I have contacted Staffordshire police and was told that I am not a creditor but an injured party and that investigations are being carried out to determine whether this is a criminal case or a civil case against Oceanview.

I just wanted to post my story for other people to read and put out my own experience of this nightmare.

I hope for all our sakes we can get some sort of resolve on this mess.

Unregistered
05-15-2009, 04:20 PM
I have been following the posts on here for a while now as I have also lost money with this company.

My dealings closely mirror what other investors have gone through; deposit paid on the Benatalaya development, Notary papers signed at Oceanview offices in Staffordshire, mortgage applications completed & returned, then problems/delays etc etc, no/poor communication from Oceanview ensued, proposal to have deposits switched to a Moroccan development (Tafedna Bay Resort), new contracts were to be sent out but nothing arrived, constantly chasing info and not getting anywhere!!!!!

At the time of investing with Oceanview I was doing work for a country wide, mortgage network. This mortgage network introduced Oceanview as 1 of 3 property companies that they would be working with to help promote overseas sales, commission would then be paid to brokers like myself who sold any of their properties. Due to the reputation & size of this mortgage network we were told that due diligence had been done to ensure Oceanview was a reputable company and that clients would be safe buying properties through them.

Obviously we all know this hasn't been the case. Not only it seems have individuals been duped but also large organisations.

I have contacted Staffordshire police and was told that I am not a creditor but an injured party and that investigations are being carried out to determine whether this is a criminal case or a civil case against Oceanview.

I just wanted to post my story for other people to read and put out my own experience of this nightmare.

I hope for all our sakes we can get some sort of resolve on this mess.

Can i ask as a injured party where does that leave you and your deposit??

Lawbird Lawyer
05-15-2009, 04:27 PM
Dear All,

I take for granted all OVP investors know this company is now in liquidation.

Most of you will have by now been contacted by the UK's Insolvency Service (http://www.insolvency.gov.uk/).

There will be a meeting held for all creditors on the 5th June 2009 at 10:00 AM at 3 Piccadilly Place, 2nd floor, Manchester, M1 3BN.

You must lodge proof of payment no later than 12:00 PM of the 1st of June 2009 to be able to joint it and have a right to vote.

Tel: 0161 234 8531
Fax: 0161 234 8634

Unregistered
05-15-2009, 08:12 PM
Can i ask as a injured party where does that leave you and your deposit??

When I spoke to Staffordshire Police they stated that until further investigation is carried out and other relevant agencies have convened with their findings, they couldn't let me know as to what outcome would be reached regarding injured parties.
At the time of contact their investigation was still trying to determine whether it was a criminal case or a civil case, as previously mentioned.

I was told the Det. Insp. & his team heading the investigation would be in contact with all known parties once the path of enquiry was established but this could take a while. I would imagine this is due to the possible complex web of deceit that has been committed and the people involved!

The police assured me that a significant size team was working on this case and that on the day I spoke with them a number of other people had been in contact reporting similar stories.

It appears to me that reading these posts, coupled with other research, there seems to be a fair weight of momentum building against Oceanview and relevant associates. If monies can't be recovered then hopefully the people involved in this scam will be brought to task.

Unregistered
05-16-2009, 04:35 PM
He has done same thing at punta perla, took the money and is gone. Why is he not in jail yet

Unregistered
05-18-2009, 10:56 AM
Just prooving you have paid some money over does not automatically make you eligible to attend the creditors meeting.

You need to show that you are a creditor for the purposes of a liquidation and given that cotracts and monies were with the developer not OV you may well struggle to show that.

Lawbird Lawyer
05-18-2009, 11:02 AM
Just prooving you have paid some money over does not automatically make you eligible to attend the creditors meeting.

You need to show that you are a creditor for the purposes of a liquidation and given that cotracts and monies were with the developer not OV you may well struggle to show that.

Dear Sir/Madam,

I've quoted the The Insolvency Sevices' Letter.

If their information is lacking or uncomplete they are to be held responsible.

I quote their letter:

"To entitle you to vote at the meeting your proof of debt and (if required) your proxy form must be lodged with me no later than 12:00 PM on 1 June 2009".

It doesn't mention you need a copy of your PPC.

In any case, they should be contacted on the matter to clarify. We've already supplied thier contact details in the post above.

Unregistered
05-18-2009, 11:35 AM
?????
You are a lawyer (apparently)
PROOF OF DEBT
Just because someone pays money to another party does not prove a debt. You need to look at the contracts involved and the implications around the status of the party to whom you paid the money to.

Lawbird Lawyer
05-18-2009, 11:40 AM
?????
You are a lawyer (apparently)
PROOF OF DEBT
Just because someone pays money to another party does not prove a debt. You need to look at the contracts involved and the implications around the status of the party to whom you paid the money to.

Dear Sir/Madam,

Yes I'm a Spanish lawyer. I would kindly ask you to mind your tone.

I'm only trying to help here. I'm quoting what the letter states, that's all. I'm not familiar with English law or its terms. For us it is different.

As stated previously, if in doubt we've provided the contact details of the Insolvency Procedure to clarify and query. We are unable to assist further as this relates exclusively to English law and must be dealt with by English lawyers.

I trust you understand.

Unregistered
05-18-2009, 02:33 PM
Apologies.
I did not intend that to come across as rudely as it appears.

I have spoken to the OR and barristers and there is real doubt as to whether people who entered into contracts with the developers are actually creditors of Ocean View.

I thnk it may be a while before a properly argued opinion is forthcoming form a court.

Lawbird Lawyer
05-18-2009, 02:41 PM
Not to worry, I understand its a very stressful situation many of you are undergoing.

Unfortunately we've only been able to represent a handful of OVP clients because OVP never managed to prove the funds had been sent over to Spain, to the developer's account, despite all the repeated requests from their own clients to do so.

The whole court case in Spain would hinge on us proving that. The only thing clients could provide us were the blue hard paper receipts of payment to OVP which was insufficient.

Which is why we've had to turn down countless OVP clients because they were unable to prove (or OVP was unable to) that the deposits had been transferred over to Spain.

Unregistered
05-18-2009, 09:21 PM
Dear Lawbird lawyer,

Have you not contacted Staffordshire police for the copy of the bank statement which shows millions being transferred. It's been pretty easy to prove, it just takes so long through the courts.

Also have you heard what investigations are taking place in Spain? I heard that some officials from fraud/police departments were having various meetings in Spain.

Hope you can shed some light on the Spanish investigations.

Thank you.

Unregistered
05-18-2009, 09:54 PM
I have been viewing comments on this forum along with the eye on spain link for a while and know exactly what you are all going through.
As an investor from Northern Ireland i am no longer going to sit and feel sorry for myself about being duped by these people.
Like many others i have contacted the Insolvency Service and The Economic Crime Unit and i have also contacted my local MP with the names and addresses of the known IFA'S and representatives of OVP in N. Ireland and their activities.
At the very least, after a police investigation, these people should be made known as they should never again be allowed to con innocent victims with their bravado, false promises and blatant lies.
I would encourage other investors to do the same and allow our political representatives to put pressure on the necessary agencies to find out the truth.
From a personal level, all i ever asked for was contact and honesty from the people who sold me these apartments. If this had occured i perhaps may have had more sympathy for them. However persistent failure to answer calls or e-mails for months on end and receiving hefty commissions for apartments that never had a building license is certainly not morally correct and i would imagine legally wrong.
3 years of anquish, mental turmoil, depression, financial ruin and extreme anger has to end if my family are to attempt to return to some form of normality.
All those involved, in my opinion and experience, have questions to answer and fast.

Unregistered
05-19-2009, 10:27 AM
sorry Orla
my number is 028 38362005
Beverley

Unregistered
05-19-2009, 10:50 AM
having spoken to the insolvency service this morning, bank transfer documents and written confirmation from OVP that these funds were received, in relation to an intended purchase with the apartment address included is sufficient proof of debt.
I am trusting the insolvencey service is giving out correct information.
I would be very interested in speaking to anyone else in Northern Ireland regarding this, my telephone number is in the above post
Beverley

Joey123
05-19-2009, 01:50 PM
I think the focus has to be placed firmly on the activities of CT, JKS, MB, BP and possibly SJ. Mainly CT. Someone was happy to disgregard the promise, verbally and in writing in my contract, for the deposts money (in full) not to be held in a "client account" until the build licence was granted. This was solely the decision of those at O*P (the company at Long**n Hall). I think they alone got us into this mess. Not anyone else. the focus needs to be in their illegal activities and the shortcomings in legal work which allowed us to be exposed to this fraud. They alone controlled the money and used these assurance of funds being protectend and held in client accounts to use people to con their clients out of substantial monies.

Hounding the agent (other than AS/Z***th) I feel might possibly be unfair. Although I would expect them to be firmly fighting your corner and backing you up as they were peddling the false promises (probably on trust) of O*P who did not honour this agreement. Mine is currently helping me to some extent, but not enough. O*P seemed happy to fob us off and give so called insurance policies to protect us which were not in anyway going to do that. I'm not sure why I feel the need to hide identities (more to help the administrator) but you all know these are anyway.

Regards
Joey123

Unregistered
05-19-2009, 09:33 PM
Can anyone tell me if they successfully transferred their deposit from EBCC to the Moroccan development at Tafedna? i received and signed contracts but held back when i was promised repayments of my deposit (50k) starting back in Feb. This of course never happened but I'm wondering do the Moroccan contracts still hold good?
Rose

Unregistered
05-19-2009, 09:35 PM
Does anyone know if, when they find out our money has disappeared, we would be entitled to some form of criminal compensation.
Lawbird, would you have an answer to this??

Unregistered
05-19-2009, 09:48 PM
Rose,
I did transfer to Morocco and signed contracts in July 08. I have recently been told by UNICO that they never received these contracts despite promises from those at Longdon Hall that they had been sent.
UNICO also informed me that OVP bought the commercial license for Estepona Beach but when the Building License was not granted all money was returned to OVP.
Difficult to know who to believe so my advice is believe none of them. Let the police do the job we as honest hard working tax payers pay them to do and when they investigate the scale of this and talk to investors surely some form of justice has to be done.
I have been stockpiling supplies of bread and water and could also happily convert my garage into a medieval dungeon if requested. Wouldnt it be great to be the guard looking in at them every minute of every day for years.
Jay

Unregistered
05-19-2009, 10:01 PM
Thank you for that info. How did you contact Unico please?

Unregistered
05-19-2009, 10:02 PM
I dont think you can believe a word that Unico say, the company is owned by the thieving scumbag Mr M*rand*! May he get all he deserves.

Joey123
05-20-2009, 10:14 AM
have you tried to contact Unico on the Tafanda Bay Resort Website - ask to become and agent and fill in the form. They will contact you then and you can ask them what the hell is going on
http://www.tafednabayresort.com/investment-morocco/become-an-agent/
I cannot see an phone no or an address so this is your only option, possibly.
It's very interesting that the developers always seem to have never received contacts or deposit monies - clearly for the very reasons set out above.

Unregistered
05-20-2009, 06:35 PM
i think you'll find saying that they never received contracts money etc is just an easy reason, but that have nothing to back it up. The money to buy punta perla was taken partly from estepona deposits and this will be easy to eveidence by the authorities. 22 million does not just vanish from accounts. the police and fraud can get this information very easily. i think we'll find that this will all come out in the wash, although it takes time.
i agree with you, all the fraudsters involved deserve everything they've got coming their way! dont ever give up the fight, its obvious that a massive fraud has taken place.
no matter what unico/miranda actually say. they are part of the scam. if miranda had a large development like estepona and never received any contracts or deposits would he not of investigated??! Of course he would of, but there was nothing to investigate, he'd received the money and bought punta perla. 100% con man.

Unregistered
05-20-2009, 06:58 PM
Check out zenith overseas website, who were promoting all the same properties as oceanview properties? Wasn't Zenith run by Adam Sargeant?
They have tried to disguise their website by removing all the OVP developments, but the same guys are probably still running the scam.
Warnings should be sent to as many websites as possible, just for people to be very careful of such a company.

Unregistered
05-21-2009, 01:17 PM
I hope for all our sakes that Mr Miranda is the problem. If so the Punta Perla land which he owns is worth over 1 Billion US Dollars and perhaps may at least get us some money back. I totally agree that those responsible for running Oceanview (2 Directors in particular) have been untruthful but to criticise those who worked for them is wrong. They were fed incorrect information which was then relayed to us. They feel as bad as we do and are owed commissions and wages. Stuart Jones, by the way is not in Brazil on a beach spending our money. He is working in an accounts office in Birmingham trying to provide for his family and pay a mortgage on a modest 3 bedroom house as OVP shafted him too. He contacted me this morning and will continue to do so for advise and any information that may be helpful.
Lets all concentrate our efforts on the big players. And by now we should know who they are. The police will find out the truth. It may take time but they will.

Joey123
05-21-2009, 05:29 PM
These are the ones who need to be brought to account. there is evidence of wholesale rip-offs by CT in the past accounts.

Unregistered
05-21-2009, 06:28 PM
I respect evrybodies opinion on here, afterall thats what the site is for. However I hold Stuart Jones partly responsible, he's known for along time that this is a fraud but still continued to push us into another black hole. At one point telling us that was the only way to get our money out.
Stuart Jones of course will take the innocent victim part now, because he too will be investigated and is probably shaking in his boots.
I dont really care that he has a modest 3 bed house and a family to support. I hope he loses his house just like I'm the verge of losing mine and that his family suffers just like mine are now!! We all know they played a part and we all know where they'll end up!
I hope you dont mind me asking but did he suggest to you that you swap to another complex as a way of getting your investment? I've heard he's working for Adam Sargeant today. Another one of the scammers. Believe me, they were all made from the same mould, a pretty damn dodgy mould to say the least.

Unregistered
05-22-2009, 11:05 AM
I agree with that last post. The whistle could have been blown long ago by those who knew all was not well. Thay have to be help partly responsible whatever their situation today. They betrayed our trust in them to work in our interest, and plainly lied about several issues concerning when and where our money was sent. If they could at least now be witness for the wrong doings, then they might gain at least some repect however small?, and that might be reflected in their punishment. If they are still not prepared to help those cheated, then they deserve everthing they get as continued accomplices.

Unregistered
05-22-2009, 08:09 PM
Agree totally. It may the "big boys" who are ultimatly guilty of planning the fraud, however, every single person I dealt with at O*P - regardless of their level of seniority (1) told me a lie at some point (most of which I have evidenced in e-mails / letters / documneted phone calls) (2) had to be chased and chased and chased - just to respond to simple queries. So they will either have had a pretty good idea of what was going on - or were just massively incompetent nodding dogs. I hope they are all eventually named and shamed through the fraud investigation. I will certanly name them in my evidence. Then when their names and deeds are publicly aired - I trust that no decent employer will touch them with a barge pole, their careers head in one direction, and they suffer financially and emotionally for being implicit, however indirectly, in the scam.

Unregistered
05-28-2009, 12:10 PM
I have just had an interesting conversation with a solicitor in Madrid, it seems that Ricardo Miranda is well known and his name is mud. Well known fact that he is being investigated for fraud and money laundering at present.
I have also spoken to a Punta Perla client who has been told that building work has started but could not be provided with any photos. How strange!
I feel the sooner that Mr Miranda is behind bars the better.

Unregistered
05-28-2009, 09:31 PM
please can you post the name of the individual, name of the firm in spain and the contact address and tel no so we can speak to them re Ricardo Miranda
Thanks
Joey123

Unregistered
06-03-2009, 01:48 PM
Just been told on the grapevine that former OVP representatives who sold us our properties and are keen to resolve our issues are meeting with UNICO in Spain this afternoon and that all clients will be contacted within 2 weeks to try and find a way forward. This may never occur but any hope whether false or not is something. I still genuinely believe that all is not lost, but that continued mud slinging will not do anyone any good. If they are guilty justice will be done. If Tafedna Bay or other similar resorts get built who will buy them if they research some of our comments. Negative publicity at this stage is no good.

JC

Joey123
06-03-2009, 05:51 PM
It is never too late to return our money. It is not mud slinging people are doing. Facts are facts.

Joey123
06-03-2009, 05:52 PM
ignore last poeting header - I typed in the security stuff in the title.

Unregistered
06-04-2009, 01:31 PM
I cant believe the post from the person who just said 'Negative publicity at this stage is no good' .........That can only be linked to someone from OVP surely?

On the contrary, I really hope anyone who does research our comments will take head. OVP have had plenty of time to get in touch with all of us on their books and offer a solution, or even look like they care?

I think they have no intention of paying back those cheated, otherwise they wouldn't have done that in the first place and there wouldn't be a very expensive investigation by police and fraud squads looking in to their business!

Joey123
06-04-2009, 02:26 PM
why the meeting with Unico? If Unico are responsible (as Ricardo Miranda is behind this company, we are led to believe - although originally said to be a joint venture with Miranda and OVP and others) they need to give us the evidence to persue Miranda - if they give damn as they say they do. Of course, they are so deep down that hole, they are just trying to get out somehow. The answer is full co-operation, honesty and hold your hands up and help us trace any funds received and kept by Miranda & Sungolf as you say they have the money. if you prove that and help us with a claim against Sungolf that would help more than anything else (of course a full refund, interest and costs is even better but never going to occur). You know well Sungolf should not have any money at all - it would be illegal, hence the elaborate set up in the UK to take the deposits.

I hope the meeting will result in an estimated £24m being returned to the rightful owners!

Anyway, much has been said many times before of refunds, transfers etc.. .. I am afraid you have landed on the Go Straight to Jail card. Unforunately, is not NOW but later! You treated our money like monopoly money! Buy your way out of jail and give our money back, plus interest and costs!

Unregistered
06-04-2009, 04:20 PM
Just been told on the grapevine that former OVP representatives who sold us our properties and are keen to resolve our issues are meeting with UNICO in Spain this afternoon and that all clients will be contacted within 2 weeks to try and find a way forward. This may never occur but any hope whether false or not is something. I still genuinely believe that all is not lost, but that continued mud slinging will not do anyone any good. If they are guilty justice will be done. If Tafedna Bay or other similar resorts get built who will buy them if they research some of our comments. Negative publicity at this stage is no good.

JC

Hi JC

have you heard anything about what was said in this meeting??

Unregistered
06-04-2009, 04:27 PM
OVP haven't shown any intention or are even interested in helping those cheated as far as I have seen?. They will just do what's required to try and pass the buck and get themselves off the hook, as they always have! I hope the net's closing at last though?

Unregistered
06-06-2009, 12:25 AM
Has anyone any news about the meeting today? Unfortunately i had to work and will have to continue to work for 300 years because of these animals. I WILL dedicate my life to harassing people and getting answers. Joey Goodstitch and others are our leaders.

Unregistered
06-06-2009, 02:08 PM
Hi

Has anyone got any news on the outcome from this meeting. I have a lot of knowledge on OVP and the characters as I was one of the early clients they roped into selling an apartment and whilst I am lucky I got a property....... after four years, I subsequently was duped into another on Manilva Beach. I dont know what is happening on this development as I went round it and it seems mothballed.

I am also confused as to whether I register as a creditor or not as the money that has disappeared could be classed as a fraud.

What is the latest on the Criminal action in the UK.

As i understand the key OVP guys are now looking at new ventures.....beware.

Joey123
06-06-2009, 02:48 PM
hello
I made a posting on EOS forum re the meeting - here it is. I hope it helps in some way:

Feedback from the meeting at The Insolvency Service for those who could not attend. Key points:

* The Insolvency Service WILL investigate the conduct of the directors and shadow directors (those who acted in the capacity as directors or (maybe - I'm not sure) held themselves out to be directors

* The vote on the appointment of the Liquidators was made. It was a simple monetery majority by the creditors that led to the apointment of Nick Wood and Ian Richardson of Grant Thornton. One is in London one is in Leeds (I think). A member of Mr Richardson's team can take calls 0207 7282651 - Sam - I think her name was. However, hold back for now, they have to have time to investigate.Their role is to recover funds and turn assets into cash to pay a dividend (eg 20p in the £) to the creditors at the end of the liquidation (I am not talking down to anyone, just not averyone will understand this process).

* DI Spears and his team's 'role (not DI Whitely - I know where you were going here - show some respect to these poeple whoever did the last post (ooovvvppp)- although I note the time as after the pubs had closed so you may not have been posting in fit state) is to investigate what happened and work with other agencies (including internationally with the SFO) the Ins Service and liquidators to recover funds and undertake criminal action if necessary. WHAT THEY DON'T need is mass calling of people. Report you case by telephone, if you feel you have been a victim of crime by OVP, and obtain your crime reference number.

* Still send your reports of your own dealings to the Ins Serv (especially matters of conduct of the directors and shaddow directors) and lodge your claims as creditors with the IS at Manchester (0161 234 8351). Also, send in reports (the same ones to the IS) to help the investigation if you have not done so to DI Andrew Spears (Staffordshire Economic Crime Unit ) BUT give them some breathing space to investigate. The investiagtion on 3 fronts (IS, Liquidators and police. It IS underway and IS being taken seriously)

* The creditors that came forward as of the 1 June cut-off date amounted to £42million. (I think was Sterling not EUROS).

* The was a creditor claim of circa £1m relating to Sean Woodhall's company/Worldwide Desinations - as he has died (I know) in a plane crash his interest will be liquidated for his estate so don't be too concerned. Although, a potential conflict of interest of the liquidator appointed is being looked at and if they find out there is conflict they will deal with that. However, initial assurances made are that there are none. It could be helpful even given the reported potential link with OVP in the past.

* a creditors committe will be formed (separate meeting) later to oversee the renumeration of the Liquidators

* I would like to say well done to the Dean Hamlin at the Insolvency Service. They have done well so far in what they state is a very large case. The OVP related developments from which there were claims from creditors were - EBCC, G of M, Vista Rocas, Tefedna Bay (Or Royal Maroc as previously known), and some others ( around 6 or 7 in total). I just asked around the room. There were a good 6 - 7 lever arch files of claimants.

* A thank-you should be made to a certain Police officer who helped get the criminal investigtion off the ground. I was pleased to have been able to personally thank him. You know who you are mate!

* I would say for now report yourself as creditors to Dean Hamilin, give your information to the police and also the liquidator. Leave them to investigate and get on with your lives for now as best as you can.

* I did approach a few people at the meeting to try to make contacts. I am sure may were sceptical of me and my motives so I apologise for that. Let me assure you, I am genuinly trying to help. I am trying to recover my funds and will to try to help you too, if I can.

* It was good to meet simimarly affected people for some mutual support and also to help with the fight for justice, return of money and to see them have their dodgy lifestyles well and truely curtailed (one day!). Mr V - good to talk to you - keep in touch! I will be in touch soon with those I discuss EBCC with. Mr W (and partner), D&H, BG etc

Try not to post for a while - leave this as the latest post for a while for people to read over the next few days as I think that may be the most helpful thing to do for now and is the most up-to-date information. You can PM me with questions altugh I will be off-line from 3.00 pm onward today.

Regards

Joey123

Unregistered
06-06-2009, 08:02 PM
I invested punta perla, ricarda took that money as well. Perhaps some people can go to singing pig forum, as many people do not want to face the truth, we got scammed, let those investors know the truth, as when I tell them about Ricarda they stil beieve in the tooth fairy. Thanks maybe if someone who has lived this nightmare tells them, reality will hit.

Joey123
06-07-2009, 12:47 PM
it sure does not look good. they are still talking of construction. it is all rather odd, to say the least. The delays and false promises are staggering. Much like EBCC which has been rumbled (or OVP have been rumbled). I am wondering how RM is linked in with EBCC other than being the devolper via Sungolf.

Of course RM lies rather low!

Joey123

Unregistered
06-08-2009, 10:44 AM
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/105908/-42m-black-hole-in-property-scam

Unregistered
06-08-2009, 02:45 PM
RM IS Estepona Beach.
What mean how is he linked??
He supposedly bought the land by private contract (under his own name) though that now looks quextionable. He received depsosits and made out he was paying for land / contractors etc. Extremely questionable.
He is GCP, Sungolf, Paraiso Tropical etc etc. He has the money somewhere.....probably in Dominica.

Unregistered
06-08-2009, 02:47 PM
Miranda
0034656833468
0034917024697

Joey123
06-08-2009, 04:37 PM
Ok. what I mean't is Sungolf and RM and on the contracts for EBCC. RM denies having the money, or I heard he said he had returned it. I don't really think OVP sent him the money - they lied alot, we have the evidence of that. You cannot remember all your lies and then tell something different and get caught out!

Sungolf had an option to buy the land at Estepona. Ok, so what I am saying regarding how RM is linked, is, that we know OVP took our money under false pretence and probably spent it. But did RM really see any of that money? DId he get refused the build licence and abandond the project and the delays and false promised are down to OVP as they by then had spent our money and they then were rumbled and running scarred? Why UNICO? Whi is UNICO ecactly? What the hell was going on? I'm just glad the police are onto OVP.

I know PP is being stalled and stalled and stalled .... and there are similarities - OVP sold EBCC and PP (not exclusively). PP is a big joke. He is taking the whatsite out of all the investors and they still believe in the project. I guess some have no choice as they have been tied up in a situation without a stong legal leg to stand on maybe > just speculation on my part

I don't think there will be a PP. I hope I am very, very wrong. Looking back on the crazy offers made to entice purchasers, it does not look very promising. Having said that, it looks like he makes excuses for offers made, somehow, claiming "act of god" - well almost - Force Majore (if spelt correctly).

Very disrespectful treatment.

There is a reporter in the UK working for the Sunday Express covering OVP and other companies. Perhaps he can help if someone were to contact him?

The big question is the commencement of construction. I feel for all those involved in PP and wish them luck.

I am not sure why the Investor Relations dept. seems to consist of one person. He should be putting proper resources into communicating with PP investors.

Unregistered
06-08-2009, 05:59 PM
Ted Jeory, the reporter, is a nob. 50% of what he has written to date is either heresay, incorrect or is written in a way that implies things without proof.

As with all sensationalist hacks he twists the words of others and hides behind the quotes of others. The accuracy of his facts and his reporting was clearly illustrated when he had to rescind his article which implicated the prince / King of Monacco in RM / SW wrongdoing and the Express had to print an apology.

Then again, you lot on these forums will believe anything your told or that you read.

Unregistered
06-09-2009, 10:06 AM
Some press details may or may not be right, but any publicity that alerts people to the liars and cheats involved in the property industry, must be a good thing!. For you to say to the decent people on here who have been so badly conned by low life scum ''you lot will believe anything you are told or read'' beggars belief. People are in this dreadful position because at some stage they had to put their trust in an agent/lawyer/developer, and that trust was betrayed in the most cowardly way by those who would stoop to any level to make a fast buck.

Praise for those doing anything that might help those wronged would be far more welcome. If you have the accurate facts that Ted Jeory has missed, let's hear them from you then, and show us to want to help........or do you want to help?

Joey123
06-09-2009, 12:00 PM
Ted Jeory is trying to make a living. He is trying to get stories. WE all know that. Of course it is individual cases that he needs to make his story. I agree with last poster. Get an interview with TJ and let's have a story on how the money was not really supposed to be held in a secure client account and that all letters, statements etc to this effect did not happen or never existed. Whatever happened, when you given the money on the STRICT condition of the money being held pending the obtaining of a build licence/planning permission, and knowingly using this money for whatever you did, be it to fund the operations, vote VERY large dividends on profits not really earnt but manufactured, take out leases on properties you personally own and then spend large sums doing up the properties which ultimately will benefit the property owner etc, etc, you are clearly not holding it in a secure client account. That, my friend, is obtaining money by deception, theft and fraud!! Prove all the EBCC people wrong and give them their money back including the IVA you took when you should not have done!

Unregistered
06-10-2009, 03:28 PM
Has anyone had deposits apparently moved to Tafedna bay from previous developments. that is the situation i am in and would be interested in speaking with people in the same boat to see what action the are taking

Joey123
06-10-2009, 04:31 PM
Last poster - can you contact me via the Eye on Spain Website - I am Joey123

Unregistered
06-10-2009, 05:42 PM
Just been told on the grapevine that former OVP representatives who sold us our properties and are keen to resolve our issues are meeting with UNICO in Spain this afternoon and that all clients will be contacted within 2 weeks to try and find a way forward. This may never occur but any hope whether false or not is something. I still genuinely believe that all is not lost, but that continued mud slinging will not do anyone any good. If they are guilty justice will be done. If Tafedna Bay or other similar resorts get built who will buy them if they research some of our comments. Negative publicity at this stage is no good.

JC

any more information regarding this meeting

Unregistered
06-10-2009, 10:25 PM
Talked again today about way forward. Main protagonists met last Thursday and another meeting of agents tomorrow afternoon. Believe me i am awaiting outcome of this as much as everyone else. Delaying tactics as always but unlike others i am keeping this line of contact open. When i hear anything, which may be next week i will post outcome. If not i will give phone number of correct people to contact but at present inundating them with calls is not way forward. Honestly still believe we will get out.
For those of you who believe we should have been given our money back with interest, i agree. We didnt but at least they have not gone away. Do not abuse this post please because i am knee deep in this crap as well and will always post anything i hear whether lies or not.

JC

Unregistered
06-11-2009, 10:04 AM
I wrote to him a month ago - same letter that went to my MP, Watchdog, You and Yours etc etc and I didn't even get an acknowledgment - let alone a reply. I think his only use is keeping the issue in the public domain - regardless of how accurate his reporting is.

Joey123
06-11-2009, 10:43 AM
JC, No one will blame your for your optimism (desperation). Regretably, I have looked closely at the accounts for the OVPI filed at Companies House to 31/10/06, and the prior year. My conclusion is the money has been spent. In terms of refunds, that must render it not possible. The options they may mention will be the old hat of swapping to another development, which from other people's experience probably will not work as the money does not seem to be there to pass to another developer (and hasn't been according to those who went through this process). An alternative is to "help" you buy a heavily discounted (compared the the original prices at the height of the market) built property elsewhere. Just maybe less then you might be able to negotiate yourself. Your deposit will not be available to off-set the purchase price. Given that, if you want a property in Spain, just buy it yourself at the bargain prices there are to be had, make sure it is built, get a FULL structural survey and only use decent recomended laywers - such as Maria De Castro - see the Eye on Spain forum. But for heavens sake, remember these people are under heavy investigation and let you down in the first place. Proceed with caution! Good luck. Finally, if the directors/OVP are still talking to you, they should not be, report them to the Insolvency Service. OVPI/directors etc. are under investigation and in the company is Liquidation.
J

Unregistered
06-11-2009, 11:48 PM
I too have heard that certain parties are trying to resurrect the relationship with RM and get him to sign contracts for those who opted to transfer to the Tafedna Bay site. So there is still a glimmer of hope. If you google Tafedna Bay there is a good deal of info. The only way I could see that I might get my deposit back was this route. Glass half full perhaps but always the optimist!

Tried in vain to get info from L A of conveyancing Spain as to how monies left the client account that she was joint signatory on whilst waiting for occupational license to be granted. There was always a risk because of no bank guarantee until the Occ Lic had been granted but LA assured me that was why she was joint signatory on the account to protect my deposit. The money could not go anywhere without her signature so there's a starting place for the crime squad. Also, I was told that OV had criminal activity insurance -never saw the certifcate though but again if it is found and fraud has occured could we claim redress from the insurer perhaps?

I also bought on G of M and EBCC thinking I would reduce the risk with different developers.
The former looks like a concentration camp so I doubt I'll be taking any bookings for a while. Any takers? Property not built yet though as developer run out of funds and blaming O/View. Still at least I still have the glossy brochure to treasure with the beautiful pictures of what could have been. The dangers of buying off-plan I guess!
Still waiting to see what Town Hall say as they won't want to see a site unfinished. Bank guarantee was a sham so no redress there for developer breaching contract. Only hope is that the developer's lender is obliged to take it over to get their money back and subrogate the mortgages to distressed buyers. Again the bank would have to make the site good as nobody would buy. Perhaps the G of M Country club will look like the O/V glossy brochure after all. Just can't kick the optimism out of me!

I will continue to find solutions only in getting back all monies owed to me and help as many other people when I find out more stuff. I really sympathise with everyone.
I know its hard when we have lost so much money but lets just try and stay positive.

Take care all, The Optimist

Joey123
06-12-2009, 12:50 PM
Optimist - get as good dual qualified laywer Spain/UK and sue the arse off LA's insurance policy for the EBCC mess, transfer or no transfer
J

Unregistered
06-12-2009, 12:54 PM
Hi Orla,

I am also from NI and would like to speak to you as to any progress that you have made on this case - we have instucted a spanish solictor at this time to represent 5 clients from the Tyrone area - could you perhaps e-mail me to midulsterepc@googlemail.com

Best Regards,

Fergal




Hi all, just heard the news re OVP going into liquidation. I have invested money in the estepona complex. I am currently trying to arrange a meetinbg with anyone in N.Ireland that is in the same situation so if anyone would like join us contact myself. We are going to join forces and fight this battle oursleves. From what I can see, this scam has been going on for years and if I had of did some research online, I wouldn't have invested. I placed my trust in agents of OVP who were good sales people. We have a alot of influential people who invested in peoperty, solicitgors, lawyers, accountants, etc..so we will utilise our skills to go after those responsible and ntry and get our money back.

Cheers

Unregistered
06-12-2009, 01:00 PM
From NI also and caught up in this mess - could you e-mail me to midulsterepc@googlemail.com - we can chat about progress made - or lack of it


In a similar position re Estepona deposit. From N Ireland and would like to talk about way forward.

Joey123
06-12-2009, 02:59 PM
I post on the Eye on Spain forum if you have ever read it. There are many threads for the Estepona Beach and Country Club. I post as Joey123. I am considering whether I have a claim against the solicitor recommended by OVP. If you would like to know more then please can you get in touch via that forum. I have a very good solicitor / dual qualified in Spanish/UK law. It may be all the work was fine but I have considerable concerns from what I have seen. I am trying to build a group as in due course, should it go to litigation, it may be cheaper. If you see the post much earlier from Ignacio, give him a call. His new contact details are:

Tel: (01295) 661 523
Email: ignaciomorillasparedes@brethertons.co.uk

He will let you speak to you about your situation and you can then join in my group (refer to Joey from Eye on Spain) He should know who. Tell him we met at Manchester.

Please let me know if you are in and send me a private message on the EOS forum

Unregistered
06-17-2009, 10:40 PM
Hi,
I have just managed internet access after a year absent & have just realised about this mess with ocean view properties!!! Can anyone tell me what I should be doing regarding my investments. I transferred from estepona beach to tafedna bay april of last year (2008) & signed new contracts. Who should I contact. I have not contacted anyone yet.

Unregistered
06-18-2009, 06:01 PM
have you contacted the agent that helped transfer your funds and signed contracts to Tafedna Bay?

if so what has he said. i am in the same position my agent assures me that we are in the process of getting our deposits back. i believe meetings have been taking place but no updates have been posted.

Unregistered
06-18-2009, 10:26 PM
I would speak to your agent again. Soon. The contracts for Tafedna Bay were never recieved by Unico. My advice is contact Staffordshire Police and the Reciever and lodge your claim, with evidence, like the rest of us. Perhaps the previous posters agent could let us know if he has heard anything different as after 3 years of trying to get my money back i am very sceptical, angry and p***ed off.

Joey123
06-19-2009, 01:25 PM
Have a read of the Estepona Beach and Country Club theads on the Eye on spain website. Lots of useful information and contacts there
Regards
Joey123

Unregistered
06-19-2009, 08:56 PM
We invested in the above resort via Ocean View properties and used their recommended UK based lawyer Johnathan Ogley. We have been strung along for months by the firm and him on the promise that we would be receiving regular instalments of the promised refund from April this year - nothing!

We would be happy to add to any fighting fund to aid repatriation is this is feasible.

BDC

Unregistered
06-19-2009, 09:11 PM
I work daily and will probably have to do so for 300 years because of this. Been following this thread and eye on spain for a year and noone has made the move for us to all get together. I have no problem if anyone affected like us contacts me and i will correlate all details. My waking life, my parental responsibilities, my job as a husband and my work is taking second place. Lets put this to bed and punish those neglibable so i can start my life again.
John
02825684213

Joey123
06-20-2009, 12:53 PM
How can I contact you? Can you let me have a private e-mail address. Try getting to be via the Eye on Spain website. I can help you.
Joey123

Unregistered
06-25-2009, 12:24 PM
I have just found a lovely website www.seanlovelockwoodhall.com, its a tribute to this amazing man. Looks like such a lovely family man, how can people slate him in such a bad way?!
I guess the family had no control over his business moves!

wilma
06-25-2009, 03:41 PM
I am hoping that you are joking..!!! he was not such a lovely man at all, he ripped off hundreds of buyers and has now disappeared and so has millions of £'s. His family are all in on the scams & have continued on in the true Woodhall way. !!

Unregistered
07-06-2009, 02:09 AM
Just home from espana. Not looking particularly good for our investment but lots of unhappy people. Tafedna Bay is not going to happen for us as this is now being investigated as a major Madoff. What an appropriate name.

Unregistered
07-08-2009, 11:08 AM
hi thanks for your posting. what have you managed to find out in spain please and how?

Unregistered
07-08-2009, 06:10 PM
Spoken with Unico last week. Treir story is they never gave O*P the go ahead to transfer us to Morooco as they had not recieved payment of our Estepona monies. Therefore our Tafedna Bay contracts are null and void. They told me that O*P had bought the commercial license for EBCC but when the building permits were not granted this money was returned. This is where the Fraud Squad will have to find out who is telling the truth, if any of them. There looks like being no quick answers here, however we continue to live this nightmare.
Number for Unico, If anyone wants to hear this first hand is 0034917024697.
Anyone been contacted by Grant Thornton or the Police or any updates?? Info would be greatly appreciated.

Unregistered
07-08-2009, 09:44 PM
After some info i received today, i dont really think we should believe too much that comes from unico. when you speak to unico, you will have phoned ricardo miranda's office in madrid, where is sister also works, eva sotres. she is the contact we have for our punta perla investment also. it seems that miranda is being investigated for various different scams. we have just returned from dominican republic where we were expecting to see alot of building work going on, what we actually saw was jack s**t! and this is suppose be a multi million pound resort, and it looked like someone just had a spade and turned over some ground. miranda is obviously in a state of panic at the moment, he has alot of solicitors, government departments building cases against him.
he also told my solicitor that the deposits for my 2 apartments at estepona was sent back to ovp, but could not provide any evidence to back it up. we are now waiting for grant thornton to give us the details that they uncover.
it seems miranda has gone out of his depth, also heard that some very unpleasant people are keen to meet with him.
i think his world is about to be turned upside down and i for one will love every minute of it!

Unregistered
07-10-2009, 01:21 AM
Hello midulster,
Great news about Mr W. Really wish it had of been me. If Mr W is watching wishing you a very slow recovery.

Unregistered
07-10-2009, 01:23 AM
Sorry F
Couldnt resist
J

Unregistered
07-14-2009, 11:43 PM
Joey, I canot find you on eye of spain can you email me on jpangel88@hotmail.com please

Cheers

Unregistered
07-16-2009, 07:15 PM
who is this Joey 123? where has he vanished to. i have tried to find him via that website with no luck either.

Unregistered
07-16-2009, 11:38 PM
Has anyone got any new information on the investigation that is being carried out by the various bodies.
I haven't chased Staffordshire Police up yet as they did explain that someone would be in touch when more information was available to them .
Posts on this forum have gone a little quiet recently and I just wondered if there was any more info out there or whether everybody was like myself and waiting for the relevant bodies to be in touch.

Joey123
07-17-2009, 12:13 PM
Hi there

I am around, just no need to post anything at present. Nothing to say. You can sent me a message via the Eye on Spain account. Go to the Estepona Beach and Country Club threads and you will find a posting from me and you can send me a private message.

Who am I? Just a ripped of purchaser on the above site trying to get justice.

Regards
Joey123

Unregistered
07-18-2009, 01:43 PM
Is anybody keeping tracks on the whereabouts of Colin Thomas? At the end of the day he owned OVP and we should be holding him responsible.

Unregistered
07-30-2009, 12:23 PM
i lost my life savings at punta perla, please explain how ricarda continues to rip people off and nothing happens to him. is there anyway to take him down? the F.B.I. has had complaints but they have other issues and do not really care. I guess crime does pay.

Unregistered
08-01-2009, 11:12 PM
Crime doesnt pay. Believe me. Investigations well under way and unofficial ones also. We are all getting there. High life for a few coming to a very abrupt end. Justice soon......
JC

Unregistered
08-02-2009, 02:06 PM
thats great news jc you seem to have a good insight into what is going on, but will we get any of our money back from ebcc

Unregistered
08-02-2009, 09:33 PM
In my honest opinion, for what it is worth, the answer in the short term is no. Our best hope is to find others or other in the wrong. My belief is that unless Mr M IS IN THE WRONG WE ARE SCREWED. If he is it will take years. If not, we are really screwed. Meeting with my MP in the morning to get advice on how to get my agents commision back and ask about criminal compensation. I would urge everyone to do the same and make this as public as possible. At the end of the day we did nothing wrong...... We paid our money to take a chance, i agree. But we never got the chance.
JC

Unregistered
08-03-2009, 10:13 AM
I also invested in EBCC and signed contracts for Tafedna. Having never received them, put my solicitor on the trail, only to receive a letter from Unico stating that they had no knowledge of me, my money, contracts, nothing and any claim should be directed to OVP.

Hoping they can send some documentation to prove this

Unregistered
08-04-2009, 11:45 AM
I hope the investigations are going well, I for one will certainly not sit back and let Colin Thomas or Ricardo Miranda get away with stealing our money. I hope to see their lives turned upside down just like they have done to many others. One thing I know for sure, they'll both end up in hell! There is no room for people like that anywhere else!

denise bannell
08-19-2009, 01:41 PM
I also was promised las t April for payments on my property . Was suppose to finish in May 2005 . Told them to sell , which they said they did the following year never receved any money back, was told only on completion in 2months this went on for years and has totally bankrupt me . I am out of pocket of 109,000 Euros. my email adress is denise.bannell@gmail.com

Unregistered
08-19-2009, 05:07 PM
I also was promised las t April for payments on my property . Was suppose to finish in May 2005 . Told them to sell , which they said they did the following year never receved any money back, was told only on completion in 2months this went on for years and has totally bankrupt me . I am out of pocket of 109,000 Euros. my email adress is denise.bannell@gmail.com

can i ask which agents u were dealing with?

denise bannell
08-20-2009, 04:13 PM
Bought mine from Martin Roberts and Kirsty at the Ocean View office in Bath in 2004

nemisis
08-28-2009, 03:49 PM
Did anyone buy through Rory Mclernon Financial in Omagh Co. Tyrone

Squirrel Nutkin
08-29-2009, 05:43 PM
Hi there, were any of these properties being built around Lake Vinuela, Sedella or Torre Del Mar (Malaga). I am doing another thing on here about my evil stepmother and I know she was involved in building villas on land that she was not allowed to, or something like that, and the Spanish authorities stopped them.

Could we have a connection here?

Unregistered
09-04-2009, 12:11 AM
Did anyone buy through Rory Mclernon Financial in Omagh Co. Tyrone

I have bought through him. Send me your phone number do not put your name down as I know he watches these sites.

Joey123
09-04-2009, 03:33 PM
i think the poor agents are now in the firing line unfairly (in the main - not possibly all). If they had any suspicions that O*P were not doing exactly what they said they were doing then the agents deverve any flack they get. My belief is that they were hoodwinked too. The people behind that company appear to have lead a very extravagent lifestyle on money they should not have touched. I hope justice prevails. They should have their assets stripped and sold to repay the people whose money they took and be locked up for a long time with no let out for good behaviour.

Unregistered
09-05-2009, 05:12 PM
Is anybody keeping tracks on the whereabouts of Colin Thomas? At the end of the day he owned OVP and we should be holding him responsible.

Have you tried looking at:-

http://www.themadclub.com/contact/index.asp

doesn't give his number but does give number of some of his friends - might be worth a try

Unregistered
09-07-2009, 08:55 PM
To the above poster who wants me to send him my phone no re Rory McLernon. I can't pm you as you are not registered . Post a phone number here and I will ring you.Or alternatively if you are not sure it is safe then post someone elses and I will contact you through it. I may have some information that will help you.

Unregistered
09-11-2009, 11:46 AM
I could really do with some information on this guy. Please call me on 01845 574637. Thanks

Unregistered
09-21-2009, 02:16 PM
EDITED. Please register if you wish to post these sort of comments.

Unregistered
09-22-2009, 12:43 PM
EDITED. Please register if you wish to post these sort of comments.

nemisis
09-22-2009, 01:18 PM
Would the people who posted the threads above that were deleted please contact this other disgruntled buyer on 07955252529 or text me and I will ring you back. I am going after this guy for sure .
And I am not connected to them in any way (God forbid) so your confidence is assured

Unregistered
09-23-2009, 11:22 PM
Does anybody have any news on COLIN THOMAS, the ringleader of OVP. He is the controller behind everything that happened at OVP, not the agents.
He is the one that is currently being investigated by the authorities and he is the one we should be going after.

Joey123
09-25-2009, 12:24 PM
that bloke has ruined so many people. Let's hope he get's locked up and everything he owns taken from him for what he has done. Knowingly spending our money when he should not have done makes him guilty of a big crime and crime should not pay. I really hope justice is done.

Unregistered
09-26-2009, 08:08 PM
same people were involved in punta perla lost everything. They continue to live like kings with our money. Wish someone would hurt them like they have done to my family. all a scam and they continue to go free, wheres the justice

Unregistered
09-30-2009, 02:35 PM
He still works out of Longdon Hall Office. He is still living in the Large house in Yoxall Staffs, Barton under needwood wood road left hand side.
He is now involved with Credit Agreements and getting rid off debt or getting compensation for debt from the credit card companies, basically he is bank rolling it, he charges nominal fee to set up then gets % on completion. Who owns Londgdon hall and Yoxall plus others. He also has a rag company and an antiques business outside lichfield (Blackrock or something like that) on the Birmingham duel carrigeway he also has other interests will update when I investgate. His children still go to private school............................................ .......
AJ

Unregistered
09-30-2009, 02:41 PM
Found out for you its Blackbrook........................

Unregistered
09-30-2009, 02:45 PM
Colin thomas needs sorting..............

Richo the Geordie
09-30-2009, 03:25 PM
Can AJ, who posted #177 below, please contact me by way of private message
Thanks

Unregistered
10-01-2009, 02:31 PM
Can AJ, who posted #177 below, please contact me by way of private message
Thanks

Hi Rich
Cannot reply on private message, not set up to do so.
Any thoughts................
What are your thoughts on message 177..............

Unregistered
10-07-2009, 12:15 PM
Thanks for the info AJ, makes interesting reading. If he's involved with finance I plan on speaking to the Financial Services Authority and checking out his authorisation status. There's no way a con man like him should be helping people with finances.
I have managed to make contact with someone who used to be connected through a charity, they dont have very good things to say about him either.
Does anyone know if he is still with Michelle and if so what does she do now?
Has anyone got tel no or email for Colin Thomas?
The net is closing in!!

Joey123
10-07-2009, 02:44 PM
the net should be closing in by the police (surely?).

Unregistered
10-08-2009, 11:53 AM
I think there are various people closing in on Colin Thomas

Unregistered
10-08-2009, 06:08 PM
What is the latest on this crook?
We need this sorting I have lost a lot of money.

Unregistered
10-08-2009, 07:54 PM
the man in question is also behind many clothing collections the man has had a cash input into uk clothing who have now changed there name to local community reyclers based in stoke on trent if you look at there website you will see who the collect for and which charities they are ripping off whether this can be proven is a differen,t matter lets hope so believe me he and his people running this are making a lot of money

Joey123
10-08-2009, 08:00 PM
Has anyone had the time to find out what is happening with the investigation? All this "net is closing in" stuff may sound good but how does it help bring justice? I would like to speak to this chap and see how he explains his actions. However, I would preferably like to see him and others locked up for their crimes.

Unregistered
10-09-2009, 02:07 PM
Can anybody assist, I need the names of all of Colin Thomas's cons, especially the finance/credit company he runs from Longdon Hall I believe.

Unregistered
10-09-2009, 07:24 PM
Their no was 01543 494000 or something. try calling it. it is now Longdon Hall Business Centre it would seem. If not try directory enquiries. 0r go visit it. You might find out what is going on there. Good luck with your enquiries!

Anyone been on touch with the police on this yet to see how it is going?

Unregistered
10-10-2009, 12:30 PM
The police are awaiting a report from Grant Thornton. If they believe there has been anything fraudulent the police will then take over. This could take a long time however. Looks like these people are safe for a while. Makes you sick.

Joey123
10-10-2009, 01:35 PM
i did not want to hear that. That's very disappointing. Unless there is enought money in the pot I dount GT will finish this enquiry. So will the police not get involved if they do not receive a report from GT of criminal activity? It therefore seems very important to get this remuneration committee in place and let GT have some money, if there's any there, so we stand a chance of getting a report through to the police.

Why's it so hard to get justice?? Or so easy to get away from justice?

Unregistered
10-10-2009, 01:57 PM
Grant Thornton wanted to assist Oceanview float the company in 2005. Bit cosy me thinks

Unregistered
10-10-2009, 11:04 PM
I can assure you the police are not waiting for a report, they are already heavily involved with investigations. its a massive complaint with loads of complaints.

nemisis
10-11-2009, 07:46 PM
When everyone bought these properties they went through their broker /intermediary. So why is everyone not chasing them down now and getting them to put pressure on these criminals.
I still see them walking about as if they did nothing wrong when they knew full well this was a house of cards and still continued to sell without telling anyone the inevitable consequences. Personally I say make them sell all their assets and pay back their clients.
Name and shame from the bottom up or top down it doesn't matter as long as they are all named.They all ruined lives so in return they deserved to have theirs ruined as well.

Unregistered
10-12-2009, 01:30 PM
The rag company that Colin Thomas has an involvement is called John _______ Textiles. It comes to light that another big player is Colin Thomas's right hand man called John Kenyon-Smith. The credit card thing they are both involved in is also quite alarming, from a contact in the credit world they will soon be receiving information from a call centre (based in India) with all UK credit card account names and numbers etc

Unregistered
10-12-2009, 02:16 PM
This is very interesting news, I have heard about this man, he lives outside kichfield, ranagemoor or near there................................ Everthing is starting to fit together.

Unregistered
10-12-2009, 02:51 PM
I used to work at OVP, I have been reading all the history on this web site and the whole thing stinks. It all makes sense now. The whole thing is a con. The one thing that has never been mentioned in all this is who was his accountant and advisor of his accounts. for the last 7 years. The Answer is XXX XXX (XXX) chartered accountants. XXX XXX worked out of Longdon hall for several years under the directtion of Colin Thomas. He got paid through all of Colin Thomas's company's along with OVP. His main role was to look after the OVP accounts, when things started to get difficult they/he brought in a Birmingham firm KPMG. They were not willing to sign the accounts off, then a firm from Sutton coldfield came in, unsure of the name as I was leaving. Any chartered accountant who has access to his accounts, bank statements, company details and day to day running of stuff should have known things were not right. Still speaking with contacts XXXX XXX are still involved with Colin Thomas and John kenyon-smith and getting paid by there companies. What is going on how can this carry on, its all just a con. Whilst I was there his partner michelle got paid a lot of money, they had a pool built at Yoxall along with landscaping to gardens and total refurbishment of the house, at least £250k was spent.

Unregistered
10-12-2009, 03:19 PM
Even more is fits together now. I have got property from Colin Thomas/John kenyonsmith and lost money, i remember a firm from Marbella that was involved with XXXXXX XXXXXXXX it was called ArteagaFay (a man called Patrick i think). They have also contacted about doing my tax return for the Spanish authorities, they got my details and many others over here from Colin Thomas/John kenyonsmith OVP. Is this data protection etc, these two companies no a lot more about these 2 individuals than any of us. I also no from living in Spain that A XXXX has property near Nerja and rural.

Joey123
10-12-2009, 08:29 PM
you should find out who the data controller was for OVP. They are the ones who are responsible for the data. The Information Commissionair should know. I doubt it will be either of these two. It does not seem right that this sort of information is passed around

Joey123
10-12-2009, 08:41 PM
maybe the Yoxhall place was done up but more importantly he bought Longdon Hall, leased it to his own company (nothing wrong there) and spent a shed load doing up up as Improvements to Leasehold property (that he owned - at least at some point). Can remember the amount spent not, but I think it was very sigmificant, much more than the £250k referred to above. Whose money was this?? No need to answer. Very unsatisfactory.

Unregistered
10-12-2009, 10:45 PM
I'm planning a visit to see Colin very soon.

Joey123
10-13-2009, 11:44 AM
unregistered does not mean invisable. perhaps it might be best to surprise him? Please ask him how he can sleep at night and what he is doing to raise money to repay his victims?

Grant Thornton
10-22-2009, 04:36 PM
Oceanview Properties International Limited - In Compulsory Liquidation (the "Company")

This post has been placed on behalf of Nick Wood and Ian Richardson of Grant Thornton UK LLP, the joint liquidators of the Company ("Joint Liquidators").

• The Joint Liquidators are officers of the High Court and were appointed by the court pursuant to a winding up order dated 9 March 2009. The Joint Liquidators are bound to act in accordance with legislation set out in the Insolvency Act 1986.

• The role of the joint liquidators is to realise assets of the Company. These assets include claims which can be brought by the Joint Liquidators under the powers given to them by the Insolvency Act 1986.

• There is a meeting of creditors being held on 23 October 2009 at the British Library at 1.30pm. At this meeting, creditors will have the opportunity to ask questions relating to the liquidation of the Company. Where the Joint Liquidators can respond i.e the answer would not prejudice their efforts to recover assets, they will attempt to do so.

• A number of recent posts have suggested that links between Mr Adam Sargent, Football First Agency Ltd ("Football First"), and Grant Thornton UK LLP may mean that the Joint Liquidators are not independent.

The Joint Liquidators have investigated this issue, and can confirm that:

Grant Thornton UK LLP have acted as accountants and taxation advisers to Football First for over five years;

The Football First Agency Limited have advised that Mr Sargent has not done any work for or on behalf of Football First for over 18 months;

Prior to that, Mr Sargent was introduced to a number of Football First's clients who then went on to purchase properties from the Company; and

Grant Thornton UK LLP have never had any relationship with Mr Sargent himself, or with any of the Company's board or management.

Accordingly, the Joint Liquidators are satisfied of their independence. To the extent that any creditors have any further queries, these can be answered at the creditors meeting.

• Likewise, the Joint Liquidators are not aware of Grant Thornton UK LLP ever having advised the Company on a potential flotation. Could the person who posted this please contact us by private message and provide further information.

• The Joint Liquidators and their staff have held several meetings and discussions with the Official Receiver's Office, the police, and investors' solicitors to report on the results of investigations into the affairs of the Company, and will continue to do so, as necessary.

Joey123
10-25-2009, 01:34 PM
To those that could not make the meeting:

* Grant Thornton appear to have made good progress,

* Creditors committee consists of some stong and determined characters.

* I generally thought it was good but in terms of recovering our money from the liquidation - I don't think you will- certainly nowhere near your losses.. Consider all options. See earlier good advice. Ignacio at Brethertons solicitors and Maria De Castro seem to most prominent advisors from a legal perspective but there are others. At worst, chat to one of them depending upon your specific circumstances.

* I don't wsh to go into too much details although it is not a secret. Claims are now £50m.

Thanks GT and those on the creditor committee - let's hope you make the progress you hope to in the future and get us some justice.

to re-iterate - GT act for the creditors to recover money and report to the Inolvency Service (Official Receiver). The police conduct their own enquires. Let GT have as much information as you can to help with their case, Ditto re DI Spears at Staffordshire Police.

* I feel independence queries can be safely left as answered now. I did feel there were any doubts here once I had heard what GT had to say at the meeting.

Joey123
10-25-2009, 07:17 PM
message above - last sentence - should have said that "I did NOT feel there were any doubts" over GT's independence

Unregistered
10-27-2009, 11:32 PM
I worked for OVP at Longdon for approx 1 year ish. Please just stop for a moment and think about the below:

No person of management level there is without blame, but as someone looking on from the inside i feel it important that you understand not all of the employees were to blame. JKS, CT, BP and MB were your main culprits who couldt have cared less and just wanted the money to keep rolling in so they could continue taking first class flights wherever they needed, have chauffer driven cars and gradually turn into wannabe Alan Sugars minus the brains and decoram.
The only senior 2 members of staff there that tried to hold it together and be as honest as possible and HELP their clients were SJ and NH. The latter was kicked so hard from the top down he eventually went apparently but whilst SJ was misguided essentially he faught each and every clients corner.
I hear that each and every dept shrunk and died in the end and MB was holding it together whilst the others went into hiding.

Having probably spoken to one or two of you, I wish you all well and hope to god you get something back. Noone deserved the way they were treated and in hindsight I wish i had done something however like all of you I had bills to pay and needed my job.

Good Luck

Joey123
10-28-2009, 08:44 PM
so what's ricardo miranda's involvement here?

Unregistered
10-29-2009, 08:24 AM
what about Adan Sergent?, no mention of him and what he's doing to help?

Joey123
11-05-2009, 05:03 PM
anyone know where they have been and what they are up to now. Any sighting would be good to read about

Unregistered
11-06-2009, 02:08 PM
They are still all working out London Hall, CT still lives in Yoxall, XXX lives rangemoor way near Yoxall, there are earlier postings of there current companies and the local accountants that are looking after their business interests Andrew Groucott (Lives Longdon) of Groucott Moor Lichfield.

Unregistered
11-06-2009, 05:03 PM
Brethertons Solicitors resently sent me a letter advicing me that the liquidator Grant Thornton had passed my details over to them.
Has anyone else had a similar letter?
Is this another attempt to squeeze more money out of a stone?
How can they be trusted to be impartial?

Joey123
11-06-2009, 07:57 PM
they are impartial. they are trying to help. GT are impartial. They are trying to recover assets. Speak to Brethertons if you purchased on the EBCC site and used CUK. They have cases running. IF your used a different solicitor to purchase EBCC contact Joey123 (that's me) on the Estepona Beach and Country Club forum on Eye on Spain. I would like to speak to such people. You will find it helpful.

Unregistered
11-10-2009, 10:22 PM
I can assure you the police are not waiting for a report, they are already heavily involved with investigations. its a massive complaint with loads of complaints.

both these men have swindled money out of the public xxxxx who works with thomas has also taken money of people for propertys that dont exitst his company is call Advantage international properties advantage bulgarian homes shall i go on! a name for all seasons.
they work together in swindling charities out of millions a year by means of clothing collections! credit card deals you name it they are into it.
I pity any poor human being who comes into contact with these two men and their cronies were is the justice in this world!!!!!

Unregistered
11-10-2009, 10:25 PM
I'm planning a visit to see Colin very soon.

these men get away with murder! he has a man called xxx xxxxx working for him he was arrested for child abuse and is working for charities not good!

Kingfisher
11-12-2009, 06:28 PM
I worked for OVP at Longdon for approx 1 year ish. Please just stop for a moment and think about the below:

No person of management level there is without blame, but as someone looking on from the inside i feel it important that you understand not all of the employees were to blame. JKS, CT, BP and MB were your main culprits who couldt have cared less and just wanted the money to keep rolling in so they could continue taking first class flights wherever they needed, have chauffer driven cars and gradually turn into wannabe Alan Sugars minus the brains and decoram.
The only senior 2 members of staff there that tried to hold it together and be as honest as possible and HELP their clients were SJ and NH. The latter was kicked so hard from the top down he eventually went apparently but whilst SJ was misguided essentially he faught each and every clients corner.
I hear that each and every dept shrunk and died in the end and MB was holding it together whilst the others went into hiding.

Having probably spoken to one or two of you, I wish you all well and hope to god you get something back. Noone deserved the way they were treated and in hindsight I wish i had done something however like all of you I had bills to pay and needed my job.

Good Luck


Watched this thread, with interest! Does anyone have concrete proof that JKS is / was actually a director of this, now liquidated, company? The reason I ask is that, I can irrefutably confirm that he is now the MD of another company, claiming to wipe out peoples credit card, personal loans, etc', etc' debts, under certain circumstances. More than a little worrying, as this entails a person passing all credit card, and lots of other, personal details over to them, which would / could fetch a premium price in certain countries!

Is this the same JKS?

Unregistered
11-13-2009, 01:39 AM
Not a registered director but called himself one. In law he is regarded as a director.yes is the answer.

Unregistered
11-13-2009, 10:47 PM
Not a registered director but called himself one. In law he is regarded as a director.yes is the answer.

if this is the case,then dont you think that the staffordshire or Metropolitan Police should be informed,i've been told by our M.P. that the Met Police are investigating,so please tell them what you know.

Unregistered
11-13-2009, 10:53 PM
if this is the case,then dont you think that the staffordshire or Metropolitan Police should be informed,i've been told by our M.P. that the Met Police are investigating,so please tell them what you know.

What happened to the other crook AS he seems to be lying low,i heard he was part of
a wealth creation company in Birmingham.funny how the same company keeps changing names ,but retains the same address and phone number

Joey123
11-14-2009, 07:48 PM
Grant Thornton know these other guys working at OVP were effectively directors. However, GT are looking at the financial side of it and the police will act on findings made. Meanwhile the polce are drinking tea and having buscuits (ok, not really) but I don't belive they are invesigating these criminals and the serious crime they have committed and will continue to carry on with. Business as usual you ex-OVP sh*ts - but you know that don't you.

Unregistered
11-15-2009, 06:38 PM
why are they not seizing there million pounds plus pads they have in Staffs and Claverdon warwickshire,AS has two properties in Claverdon to our knowledge,this would help to pay off some off the money they nicked off us,(actually we own these homes not the rogues who.ve so called bought them)What about the E**** 's a so called agent from Henley warwickshire,they've also made a pretty packet from this lot as well,taking people to football matches (villa ground ) getting them P***** and then getting them to sign on the dotted line, yes we do know about you K E .Your name as also been passed on to the police. Rogues/Crooks all of them from the bottom to the top.

Joey123
11-16-2009, 12:54 PM
Until GT have undertaken their investigation and report to the police no action will be taken.
I don't think that anyone actual other than the key players at OVP knew anything was wrong and that the money would not be treated as it was - ie stolen. I think they were all mislead. However, do some digging into their backgrounds and see if anything seems amiss.

Sadly, it is too easy for criminals these days. Any hope of asset seizure under the Proceeds of Crime Act will have to wait until the investigation is completed by GT as to what happened with the money despite the clear facts to ourselves and the evidence we hold. Perhaps you local MPs can investigate the scandel we are in now as it seems we are not being looked after properly.

We need swift action. Not slow protracted action. Let's get them assets frozen quickly.

Unregistered
11-16-2009, 02:16 PM
I used to work at OVP, I have been reading all the history on this web site and the whole thing stinks. It all makes sense now. The whole thing is a con. The one thing that has never been mentioned in all this is who was his accountant and advisor of his accounts. for the last 7 years. The answer is xxx chartered accountants. xxx worked out of Longdon hall for several years under the directtion of Colin Thomas. He got paid through all of Colin Thomas's company's along with OVP. His main role was to look after the OVP accounts, when things started to get difficult they/he brought in a Birmingham firm KPMG. They were not willing to sign the accounts off, then a firm from Sutton coldfield came in, unsure of the name as I was leaving. Any chartered accountant who has access to his accounts, bank statements, company details and day to day running of stuff should have known things were not right. Still speaking with contacts xxx xxx are still involved with Colin Thomas and John kenyon-smith and getting paid by there companies. What is going on how can this carry on, its all just a con. Whilst I was there his partner michelle got paid a lot of money, they had a pool built at Yoxall along with landscaping to gardens and total refurbishment of the house, at least £250k was spent.


The above was posted a couple of weeks ago..............

The local accountant has a lot to answer for and still works for CT & JKS, both here and abroad.

Joey123
11-16-2009, 06:50 PM
ok, perhaps the accountand should have reported them as an ethical thing or manditory if appointed independently under the MLRs.

However, whatever is said, there is one or maybe more main criminals at work here I think. The police should close these people down now. However, they do not or cannot act as there are resourse constraints (I assume).

CT mainly. XXX- certainly has questions to answer and it goes down from there. The "brains" who sold the idea to people BP's needs to answer questions. I am very dissapointed but not at all suprised the micky mouse police force don't act. No disrespect to them but it is a sign of the times with this shit country and governments (past and present) we have no decent police force. We may as well close the police departments as they are not fit for purpose any more. criminals do what they like!!

Joey123
11-16-2009, 09:50 PM
ex-ovp man - have you spoken to the police or GT yet- you should do

Unregistered
11-16-2009, 11:32 PM
[Partners of these o*p crooks/theives if you have any bit of decency within yourselves,and have any regard for your children,go to the police and tell them the truth on whats been going on,you all are obviously aware that all this money for properties,swimming pools,childrens schools fees,living the millionaires life has all been done on stolen money,surely this must be pricking your consciences somewhere,children talk and can be very nasty when they get to hear about these sorts off things,spare your children this,as you know things will probably start to get a lot worse for you all now the police and lawyers,met fraud sqaud,they are all closing in,not a situation i would envy for myself or for my children,You must have all realised this money was not hard earned from your partners,but money conned out of hardworkig folks,people who may i add some have lost there family homes,and people who are now bankrupt because of the dreadful scam your partners have played on these poor people.For Godsake dont bring yourselves down to there level any longer,tell the Police and GT what you know,at least you will be able to clear your conscious a little for the sake of your kids/family/relatives.

Unregistered
11-17-2009, 04:10 PM
None of these b******s have anything remotely attached to a conscience. I have lost my home because of OVP and will get revenge legally or otherwise. I do agree with the post on our Police Force. Under resourced and poorly led. Guy at the Daily Express should do another article entitled " I used to be a thieving OVP Director. Got away with it too."

Joey123
11-17-2009, 04:36 PM
The guy at the Express is Ted Jeory and does not reply to messages now. He is the "Whitehall Reporter" - has moved on now.

Please be aware of the Estepona Beach and Country Club thread on the Eye on Spain site. If you used an OVP recommended solicitor there may be some hope. Read the threads - there is help there. Send Joey123 an e-mail. He might be able to point you in the right direction. there are threads re the other OVP properties too by the EBCC one is where you will get most information.

It makes you want to go up there in a big group and hang them from the trees, but sadly we are just hard working, honest, law abiding people. Come on police, show what your made of. they must be laughing at how easy it all is.

Unregistered
11-17-2009, 10:38 PM
We are about to lose our home as well now,we have battled to keep are head above water,but failing miserably.The police should be ashamed of themselves for not sorting these scumbags out,and yet i was out and about the ther day young lad theiving from a store and six officers appeared from nowhere trying to arrest this geeezer,and all he had up his top was a couple of bloody dvd's,yet these load of tripe get away with theiving millions (and still at it from what i have heard here and abroad ),what sort of bleeding country are we all living it.I have certainly lost faith in the police ,justice,and the Government,they are all out for themselves,but obviously small time crooks like the young lad i saw arrested the other day (and i dont condem it ) are more important nowadays,than the real culprits,by the way,wonder if they paid any income tax on this lot they have stole.

Joey123
11-18-2009, 01:04 PM
you can't tax illegal gains. it is indeed staggering what they have done. Get your MP to make some noise. Perhaps a conservative one - a bit of labour bashing would not go amiss as these guys have run the country for such a long time they must be responsible for us not having a decent police force.

Sorry to here of your situation the last poster. Did you go though an OVP recommended solicitor? Seen Joey123 an e-mail - see above

I do wonder that has happened the the Morocco and the UNICO company. I bet they are still at it somehow on that one. The developer should be answering questions even if it chapter on verse on how OVP have stitched us up. His silence is deafening as they say. The police, US, Interpol etc should be working on this day and night. Multiple the sums though the whole lot of developments and the money at risk/lost is simply staggering

ifv
11-23-2009, 04:35 PM
This might be of interest to some of you:

Manilva Costa Uncovered! (http://belegal.com/blog-by-antonio-flores/manilva-costa-uncovered-manilva-gardens/)

Joey123
11-26-2009, 04:54 PM
identical to the story re EBCC - developer said he had received some money and returned it to OVP - OVP deny this. Whose telling the truth? All will be revealed one day!!

Unregistered
12-01-2009, 12:33 PM
On a recent letter from Grant Thornton I was very surprised to see there was not mention of their investigations that SHOULD be taking place in Spain, where the bulk of the Estepona clent's money is probably sitting/been transferred to!

Has anyone had any luck in getting contact details for Colin Thomas yet? A face to to face chat with him will hopefully get some answers that we all need.

Ricardo Miranda seems to be keeping a low profile at the moment also, I guess he could be busy destroying the money trail that show's our Estepona deposits being transferred to him!

The clock is ticking COLIN THOMAS and RICARDO MIRANDA!

Joey123
12-02-2009, 01:40 PM
All the contact numbers are on the information letter you were sent. Why not ask them what they are going. They are tracing the money via bank account movements and undertaking financial anaysis.

OVP hoodwinked us - they said they would keep the money from us and hold it pending the build licence being granted. They know full well what they were doing and were prepared to lie to line their greedy pockets. Forget Ricardo Miranda - if he conned them into doing something else thats for them to explain. OVP nicked up money.

Why don't you go and see Colin Thomas? How will taling to him help or do you mean something else like making him talk? Isn't that for the police to do?

Unregistered
01-06-2010, 09:00 PM
Should you not be happy with the police investigation I believe you can contact the Police Complaints Commission. Afterall this is why we pay our taxes.
It seems that they are not taking the complaints seriously, a major fraud has been committed and we need to highlight what's NOT been done so far They should not be waiting for Grant Thornton. It doesn't matter what they discover, a crime has been committed and needs the appropriate punishment.

Unregistered
01-14-2010, 01:41 PM
Chilax and all, I´ve done my investigation. If any of you want the truth, I can give you my story. I bought on Estepona Beach and Country Club and when I tried to make a legal claim against Sungolf, they sent me proof that the full amount had been returned to C. Thomas and J. Kenyon-Smith. Those two had me convinced that my money was with the developer, and that I was supposed to direct my claim to Sungolf, however when I made the claim, Sungolf sent me documentation showing that they had returned the money Oceanview had sent to purchase the entire project, 12,5 million, while they collected 32 million from clients. It is clear that the liquidators have to know this already and will take action. They even sent me the letter informing Sean Lovelock/Woodhall that they were unable to continue with the development. So OVP is to blame after all!! We have to make sure this ends up with the fraud investigators. They have to be the ones to keep us updated with all the details. I think we should be looking for our money in Spain, what companies did these gentlemen have in other countries?

Unregistered
01-15-2010, 03:32 PM
Thanks to last poster for the useful info. Could you however provide for us the evidence you recieved from Sungolf stating deposits were returned, or at least the contact you got this from so that we can all see this with our own eyes.
Sorry to be a disbeliever but if OVP taught me one thing its never trust anybody again. I so much hope that whoever is responsible for this get what deserve.

Unregistered
01-17-2010, 11:43 PM
where does John Kenyon smith live?

Craig

Unregistered
01-18-2010, 12:47 PM
last i heard a village near burton on trent

Unregistered
01-19-2010, 05:09 PM
Around Rangemoore near barton under needwood, still visits Longdon Hall with CT (credit and clothing business) they still use groucotmoore the accountants in Lichfield.

Unregistered
01-22-2010, 12:40 PM
Any latest news.............................

Unregistered
01-27-2010, 08:35 PM
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Unregistered
01-28-2010, 08:48 PM
I dont think Colin Thomas has realised that even if we dont get a penny back, most will never give up on their goal - to ensure he is punished for ruining so many lifes.

Unregistered
01-29-2010, 12:29 PM
Sorry copied the wrong data.

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Admin FAX:+44.8704441154
Admin Email:
Tech ID:H336180
Tech Name:Mike Blades
Tech Organization:OceanView Properties International Limited
Tech Postal Code:WS15 4PT
Tech Country:GB
Tech Phone:+44.8704441153
Tech FAX:+44.8704441154
Tech Email:
Billing ID:H336180
Billing Name:Mike Blades
Billing Organization:OceanView Properties International Limited
Billing Postal Code:WS15 4PT
Billing Country:GB
Billing Phone:+44.8704441153
Billing FAX:+44.8704441154
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Sponsoring Registrar ID:H252012
Sponsoring Registrar Organization:Daily Internet Services Limited
Sponsoring Registrar Postal Code:NG9 6RZ
Sponsoring Registrar Country:GB
Sponsoring Registrar Phone:+44.1159737260
Sponsoring Registrar FAX:+44.115972540
Sponsoring Registrar Website:www.daily.co.uk
Name Server:NS1.DAILY.CO.UK
Name Server:NS2.DAILY.CO.UK

Unregistered
01-29-2010, 12:33 PM
Tafedna Bay Resort from July 2009


Whois Record for Tafednabayresort.com
( Ta Fed Naba Y Resort )

Front Page Information
Website Title: None given.
AboutUs: Wiki article on Tafednabayresort.com

Indexed Data
Alexa Trend/Rank: #8,671,080: Up 6,651,933 ranks over the last three months.
Registry Data
ICANN Registrar: TUCOWS INC.
Created: 2007-12-11
Expires: 2009-12-11
Updated: 2008-09-16
Registrar Status: clientTransferProhibited

Registrar Status: clientUpdateProhibited

Name Server: NS59.1AND1.CO.UK (has 488,744 domains)

Name Server: NS60.1AND1.CO.UK (has 488,744 domains)

Whois Server: whois.tucows.com
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Server Type: Apache
IP Address: 82.165.122.24 Whois | Reverse-IP | Ping | DNS Lookup | Traceroute

IP Location - Germany - 1&1 Internet Ag
Response Code:
Domain Status: Registered And Active Website
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Email Search: is associated with about 39 domains
is associated with about 18,076 domains
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Registrar History: 1 registrar

NS History: 3 changes on 4 unique name servers over 2 years.

IP History: 3 changes on 4 unique name servers over 2 years.

Whois History: 9 records have been archived since 2007-12-12.

Reverse IP: 182 other sites hosted on this server.

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Registrant:
OceanView Properties International Limited
Longdon Hall
Longdon Green
nr. Lichfield, Staffordshire WS15 4PT
GB

Domain name: TAFEDNABAYRESORT.COM

Administrative Contact:
Blades, Mike
Longdon Hall
Longdon Green
nr. Lichfield, Staffordshire WS15 4PT
GB
+44.8704441153 Fax: +44.8704441154

Technical Contact:
Support, Technical
9 Regan Way
Chetwynd Business Park
Chilwell
Nottingham, Nottinghamshire NG9 6RR
UK
+44.8454662100 Fax: +44.1159725140

Registration Service Provider:
Daily Internet Services Limited,
+44.8454662100
+44.8454660102 (fax)
http://www.daily.co.uk

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 22-Jul-2008.
Record expires on 11-Dec-2009.
Record created on 11-Dec-2007.

Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
http://domainhelp.tucows.com

Domain servers in listed order:
NS59.1AND1.CO.UK
NS60.1AND1.CO.UK

Domain status: clientTransferProhibited
clientUpdateProhibited

Unregistered
01-29-2010, 12:36 PM
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TaFedNabaYResort.com Whois Record
( Ta Fed Naba Y Resort )

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NS History:
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Registrant:
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96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA

Domain name: TAFEDNABAYRESORT.COM

Administrative Contact:
contactprivacy.com,
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457
Technical Contact:
contactprivacy.com,
96 Mowat Ave
Toronto, ON M6K 3M1
CA
+1.4165385457

Registration Service Provider:
Tucows.com Co,
416-535-0123

Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC.
Record last updated on 21-Jan-2010.
Record expires on 11-Dec-2010.
Record created on 11-Dec-2007.

Registrar Domain Name Help Center:
http://domainhelp.tucows.com

Domain servers in listed order:
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Unregistered
01-30-2010, 12:35 AM
Great stuff - just goes to show how big a con this was. Is this ever going be dealt with by the police? Can we co-ordinate a civil action group to sue these people for theft? We need to get their assets and even if it only pays for the fees in the end to get these guys. I assume you are the same person who posted on the EBCC Eye on spain site recently?

We need a co-ordinated strategy

Joey123

L. Robinson
01-30-2010, 10:47 PM
Hi,

I'm hoping someone might be able to shed some light on something for me.

My parents re-mortgaged their house a few years ago to put a deposit down on an Ocean View properties apartment. Actually, the amount was supposed to pay for 2 properties as they were being told that they'd get a higher LTV than they did. In the end Ocean View [kindly] allowed them to purchase only one of the 2 reserved apartments as the deposit raised could only purchase one. They purchased an apartment on a development which was complete at an [apparent] reduced price.

They received a few months rent and then it all just stopped. The property has not been rented out for about 12 months and my parents have not been able to pay the mortgage as the rent stopped. They now have a firm of solicitors based in London threatening to take their home to cover the debt in Spain.

From my point of view - the whole sale was done wrong - everyone was OVP - the lawyer, broker, etc. No one seemed to be acting indepedently.

My parents are in their 60's and can't afford to lose their home that they've lived in for over 20 years. It will break them.

OVP fell foul of their obligations under the contract.

Please can anyone help me and my parents?

Many thanks in advance

Joey123
01-31-2010, 12:06 PM
possibly - some more questions first

_ who was the solicitor - an OVP recommended one?
- which was the original development?
- (not so relevant - who did they deal with)

Regards

L. Robinson
02-01-2010, 12:21 AM
Hi,

It was an OVP solicitor. Everything was OVP!

They originally wanted to purchase 2 apartments - one completed one in Benetalaya, and another I think in Gardens of Manilva. However, when the mortgage offer came through, and the LTV was lower than they were led to believe, they then transferred the deposit for 2 properties into the deposit for one and purchase Benetalaya. I don't know the ins and outs, but apparently at one stage they were offered to transfer to Morocco. However, they did complete on Benetalaya, and received a few months rent, but this quickly stopped.

My father went out to Spain and originally started the sale with the girl out there that takes people on the tours. Then a chap called Lee took over the sale.

Their concern is obviously - about £100,000 that stands to be lost and the fact that solicitors are now threatening to take their home in the UK to clear the debts (due to the rent not being paid, the mortgage payments fell behind, as did the maintenance so the apartment was locked up with no electricity).

I read a lot of the stories posted on here and it makes very miserable reading. I just thought it was bad luck that the market had turned - I didn't realise the scale of this.

This property was supposed to bring in additional income and for somewhere for my parents to go on holiday. It's turned into a massive disaster, and is causing an immense amount of stress and grief - as I'm sure a lot of people on here with empathise with.

I just don't know where they stand, what they can do, and where they should go.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

Joey123
02-01-2010, 03:38 PM
but who was the solcitor - you still have not said